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I Cant Figure Out How To Putt And I'm Losing My Mind!!

• SGTBilko 1,686 Posts

  Sat, Jun 11 2011 8:05 PM

  Nicole161106:

  With regard to my "bit harsh no?", statement.

  Now , i haven't been here very long, (last october joined) but i do read the forum quite a bit, (some very helpul tips)  especially regarding putting, so my opinion is all it is, my opinion.

  Anyway, i have noticed quite a few times were players refer to the starter putter as the beginner putter, as YJ did. (according to the guys bag he uses the starter)

  I have tried all the putters, (bar the Ghost) admittedly just for a days rental.

  I have posted on these other threads my thought on  them.

  firstly- on thread titled

  Daytona putter (L55) help
  
  I hired this Daytona last week.
  
  The meter stuttered all the time with me. (my other clubs were fine)
  
  If i thought this was just a one off occurence, i would have considered buying it, but receiving no reply from WGT to my emails, i will leave it for now.
  
  On longer putts it certainly seemed more accurate with regard to  distance.
  
  This is where the beginner putter falls down, on putts of say, 60ft plus, it has a mind of its own.

  And on

  L72 Redwood Putter, try before you buy

  I hired this L72 redwood last week and had the same results as when i hired the daytona, i.e. impossible (for me)  to use.
  
  The speed is fast, but that isn't the problem, (i can cope fine with the driver and irons, even with starter balls) the jumpy, stuttering all the way down, is.
  
  I appreciate that it must work for most, a look at the bags of the better players tells me this.
  
  p.s. I cleared the cache etc etc. and tried it with one dot and two dot feel balls, all to no avail.

  
  When i first started, like most others, i suppose, i moved "up" from the beginner to the starter, but despite persevering, couldn't achieve the same results, simply because i couldn't hit the ding consistently enough.

  Now that is another point i have seen made on here, repeatedly, that the starter and beginner have the same meter speed. Regardless of what it says in the specs, the starter is much faster than the beginner.

  Now for me, my reflexes aren't the fastest, but  i can miss the fairway and make birdie, i can miss the green and make birdie, if i miss a putt, it's gone forever.

  To get back to the OP, i normally take no notice of anyones stats, even my own, but i would suggest that his putting isn't his problem, mainly because his av. dist. to pin is 28ft, (he also seems to have the EZ swing lob wedge in his bag, a big no no )  taking under 2 putts per hole doesn't seem that bad really.

  This is something i often see overlooked when players are discussing someones putting stats, e.g. if a player is taking 1.5 putts per hole, he is a better putter than someone taking 1.6, but the first player maybe has an ave. distance to pin of 12 ft, and the second has 20 ft, so is he that much better really?, and should  the second player maybe look first at getting his approaches closer?

  Another point of instantly advising players to upgrade their putter is, how much do they spend, (or intend to spend), here, on equipment, and more importantly, balls?

  As i said in one of the earlier highlighted posts i made, i tried the higher end putters with the no feel, 1 dot and 2.5 dot feel, and still could not hit the ding often enough. (plenty obviously can, i can't)

  All said and done though, these are just my opinions, and it's good to have these discussions.

  Cheers.

   

  
  

   

  The meter stutter is not because of the putter but is probably related to the browser you are using, if you are using Internet explorer that is the biggest problem. You should use Firefox, Chrome or Opera.

• Nicole161106 281 Posts

  Sat, Jun 11 2011 8:29 PM

  I never use IE at all, for anything, i use all the others and have no problems with any other clubs, only the high end putters.

  Curiously enough, i watched one of the recorded games recently and noticed the player using the Daytona and it seemed to skip all the way as well, i wonder if this is common and if players just get used to it?

• Sanco 1,345 Posts

  Sat, Jun 11 2011 8:54 PM

  Hi Nicole, I have used most of the putters available and now settled on the ghost. 

  I had the stuttering issues you are describing when I initially bought the rossa and was a little worried of having made a mistake. However, after discussing this with a well established player on here it was pointed to me that our browsers, as well as macromedia, build an inventory of settings in the cache and buying a new club may conflict with this inventory.

  I know it sounds a trite and over-used advice, but try clearing the cache if you rent a new club before you use it - that is if you are not already doing so - and give the new club a good go. See if it makes a difference.

  Cheers

• borntobesting 9,709 Posts

  Sun, Jun 12 2011 5:09 AM

  Nicole161106:

  I never use IE at all, for anything, i use all the others and have no problems with any other clubs, only the high end putters.

  Curiously enough, i watched one of the recorded games recently and noticed the player using the Daytona and it seemed to skip all the way as well, i wonder if this is common and if players just get used to it?

  Most of us who use either the Daytona or Redwood use the avatar movement style of putting. Using that style of putting you use a higher scale and much shorter swing and there is much less chance for a stutter.Only on the longest putts do we have a putter swing that moves more than a few inches so there is much less chance for a stutter. It also makes it a bit easier to hit the ding. On that note, i recently started putting using the zoom in feature in the flash menu which also makes it much easier to read the breaks and hit the ding. 

• SGTBilko 1,686 Posts

  Sun, Jun 12 2011 6:01 AM

  Nicole161106:

  I never use IE at all, for anything, i use all the others and have no problems with any other clubs, only the high end putters.

  Curiously enough, i watched one of the recorded games recently and noticed the player using the Daytona and it seemed to skip all the way as well, i wonder if this is common and if players just get used to it?

  I use the daytona and it never skips on me...interesting

• SGTBilko 1,686 Posts

  Sun, Jun 12 2011 6:03 AM

  borntobesting:

  Nicole161106:

  I never use IE at all, for anything, i use all the others and have no problems with any other clubs, only the high end putters.

  Curiously enough, i watched one of the recorded games recently and noticed the player using the Daytona and it seemed to skip all the way as well, i wonder if this is common and if players just get used to it?

  Most of us who use either the Daytona or Redwood use the avatar movement style of putting. Using that style of putting you use a higher scale and much shorter swing and there is much less chance for a stutter.Only on the longest putts do we have a putter swing that moves more than a few inches so there is much less chance for a stutter. It also makes it a bit easier to hit the ding. On that note, i recently started putting using the zoom in feature in the flash menu which also makes it much easier to read the breaks and hit the ding. 

  This could be true, I did not think of that, while I do not use the avatar movement style rather the putting scale the same goes for both. Considering the shorter I take the putter head back the less chance of skip. I use the reverse putting but I will have to look at the zoom feature....

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, Jun 12 2011 8:21 AM

  Nicole-Sanco's point about the cache is quite right. WGT suggests doing this after updates and when buying new clubs. More to the point,  a day's rental isn't enough time to learn  a club, particularly with putters. As the precision increases you need to be more attuned to what you can and can't do with it and playing is the only way you'll learn what it can do. I went through this with the Anser, both Redwoods and the Ghost. It would usually take 10-20 rounds over all the courses before I would get comfortable with them. I use the avatar move method so meter speed is not an issue but you need more than the 3 basic scales to be really decent at it. 

  On what you saw watching that match, we talked a little about it and that stutter was more from the broadcast delay than anything. Icon's meter looked like it was impossible to use but he wasn't having a problem, the feed was erratic and made it look that way. For the most part everybody has some kind of issue at one time or another and they just deal with it.

• Nicole161106 281 Posts

  Sun, Jun 12 2011 11:39 AM

  The thread seems to have lost it's way somewhat, my fault probably, lol.

  I already stated,  "p.s. I cleared the cache etc etc. and tried it with one dot and two dot feel balls, all to no avail.

  This is all irrelevant though, i am not  particularly worried about my putting, for the present. I only joined for a bit of enjoyment and to see how far i could go at the least cost to me. I have no illusions of ever challenging for any prizes in the legend tier, using  the equipment i have and using free or 10c balls. I have only spent around $70 or so, which is not bad for  9 months of playing, i certainly don't grudge it.

  The point of my first post was to emphasise the fact that there is more to someones problems in the game than simply saying, "bin the putter".

  As i already said, there are players who are very adept at using  the high end putters, so kudos to them.

  However, to suggest to anyone who apparently doesn't spend any money on clubs or balls, to upgrade their putter, is a bit misleading.

  Anyone using starter or no feel balls are going to struggle big time with the starter (note starter, not beginner) putter, let alone the premium putters speed.

  Maybe the point i should have stressed more, was that i don't use premium balls, which slow the meter down. A lot of new players may simply look at the pro shop stats, see that the meter looks just a "little"  bit faster than they are used to, and go for it.

  So maybe they shell out the 750 or so for the Rossa, then find they have to buy the premium balls (do any of the top players use "no feel" balls?) to give themselves any chance whatsoever of being accurate with it, which in the long run is going to cost them a lot more than the  initial Rossa price.

  Cheers all.

   

   

• Boomerboy44 1,514 Posts

  Sun, Jun 12 2011 6:24 PM

  Nicole, THANKS for your info. The point of dumping the starter putter is it is so undependable that you are never going to putt well. So when people complain about not being able to putt with it,  us who have decided to buy better putters think why don't they buy a better putter. I know people have the right to complain but it does get a bit wearisome to hear the same old complaints about how you can't putt. By the way I use the Rossa putter, Chrome,the  putting method Borntobesting talks about and my meter almost never causes a problem. I also clear my cache every other day. A friend of mine who knows computers pretty well told me when I asked about the stutter problems so many people seem to have with this game he told me it was something running in the background on your computer.  Trying to find out what it is he said can be a real problem. 

• mrarkadin 12 Posts

  Mon, Jun 13 2011 7:08 AM

  YankeeJim:

   I use the avatar move method so meter speed is not an issue

   

  What do you mean by this?