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• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 1:20 AM

  I haven't checked mine yet, but seeing your scorecards, Jay, it's finally obvious they're not differentiating putts from shots. Which means an off dinger like me will always have terrible ding % stats, while dingers (especially the ones that bother using 100 ft scale for 10 footers to make the meter crawl) will have a very high %, making the % numbers fairly useless...

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 1:33 AM

  Luckystar5:

  Not a true champion cuz they are the easiest courses ?  You never played a clash, or turf war, from easier tees?

  Not what he was saying. Plus, clashes are ALWAYS played from the tier default tees, so I have no idea where you were going with that.

• newcastleb 1,813 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 1:58 AM

  mkrizan86:

  it's finally obvious they're not differentiating putts from shots. Which means an off dinger like me will always have terrible ding % stats, while dingers (especially the ones that bother using 100 ft scale for 10 footers to make the meter crawl) will have a very high %, making the % numbers fairly useless...

  Exactly my thoughts Jure.  Unless they separate putts from full shots those stats won't mean diddly squat to me  :-(

  Thomas

• Vaibhav5viv 886 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 2:52 AM

  mkrizan86:

  no idea where you were going with that.

  Or pretty much the entire post.. Duffputt never mentioned anything about other champions, let alone question them

• jayw4862 3,364 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 2:57 AM

  mkrizan86:

  I haven't checked mine yet, but seeing your scorecards, Jay, it's finally obvious they're not differentiating putts from shots. Which means an off dinger like me will always have terrible ding % stats, while dingers (especially the ones that bother using 100 ft scale for 10 footers to make the meter crawl) will have a very high %, making the % numbers fairly useless...

  Exactly Jure. Pretty much the same thing I said in that other thread (in bold). 

  If they would break the shots down (Tee shots, fairway, approach, par 3 tee shots, wedges, and putts) it would be much more accurate. The odds of that happening are 1,000,000 to 1.

  One thing I did discover is that as I was playing Congressional, I was checking it after each hole, and doing a quick mental calculation, and then trying too hard to ding and it actually hurt me. 

  Better to not pay any attention to it. Or at least wait until the round is over :-)

   

• HackWilson1930 1,437 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 4:25 AM

  As Duffputt has said, the average system that WGT uses depends on a small set of scores. A way of balancing the view of someone's "average" is to note their total winnings as well as ranked rounds. I realize that not all players choose to enter RTG's  or even free tournaments from WGT, but anyone with substantial winnings should not be accused of being less of a player because they have done well from red tees ( or any tee for that matter).

• Luckystar5 1,641 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 5:33 AM

  mkrizan86:

  Luckystar5:

  Not a true champion cuz they are the easiest courses ?  You never played a clash, or turf war, from easier tees?

  Not what he was saying. Plus, clashes are ALWAYS played from the tier default tees, so I have no idea where you were going with that.

  I was merely trying to list all the options that can be played.  

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 6:10 AM

  Luckystar5:

  mkrizan86:

  Luckystar5:

  Not a true champion cuz they are the easiest courses ?  You never played a clash, or turf war, from easier tees?

  Not what he was saying. Plus, clashes are ALWAYS played from the tier default tees, so I have no idea where you were going with that.

  I was merely trying to list all the options that can be played.  

  Then you should've used OR instead of FROM, cause that's not what the written text meant. ;-)

   

• Luckystar5 1,641 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 9:36 AM

  mkrizan86:

  Luckystar5:

  mkrizan86:

  Luckystar5:

  Not a true champion cuz they are the easiest courses ?  You never played a clash, or turf war, from easier tees?

  Not what he was saying. Plus, clashes are ALWAYS played from the tier default tees, so I have no idea where you were going with that.

  I was merely trying to list all the options that can be played.  

  Then you should've used OR instead of FROM, cause that's not what the written text meant. ;-)

   

  Ok, if you want to play the word, and grammar game, he said "  played the game honestly"  that implies that some play dishonestly?  Give it a break. 

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Dec 16 2017 9:57 AM

  Luckystar5:

  mkrizan86:

  Luckystar5:

  mkrizan86:

  Luckystar5:

  Not a true champion cuz they are the easiest courses ?  You never played a clash, or turf war, from easier tees?

  Not what he was saying. Plus, clashes are ALWAYS played from the tier default tees, so I have no idea where you were going with that.

  I was merely trying to list all the options that can be played.  

  Then you should've used OR instead of FROM, cause that's not what the written text meant. ;-)

   

  Ok, if you want to play the word, and grammar game, he said "  played the game honestly"  that implies that some play dishonestly?  Give it a break. 

  The grammar comment was sarcastic, cause your explanation was obviously a cop-out. Playing clashes should've never been used in the context of having a falsely low average, because the clash conditions are very close to ranked games from tier default settings. and nobody, who knows they're being played that way, My thinking is you played so many red tee rounds, you forgot clashes are played from default tees, then tried to "save face".

  34s on BPB and St. Andrews won't get your avg to sub 58, so the clashes obviously aren't the reason why some people got to champ tier ;-)