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WGT owes me money...

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Tue, Jun 28 2011 9:03 AM (19 replies)
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  • LindaLuvsTiger
    85 Posts
    Mon, Jun 20 2011 7:11 AM

    You aren't gonna win this battle.  If something isn't right, I have learned to save the game and restart it.  If after that  there is still a problem, then email  them.  It's part of the process.  You always take chances with any "game" on the net with bugs.  I feel your frustration, I too am a fighter of what is right, but anytime a weird problem occurs just save, close out and restart.

  • hpurey
    11,505 Posts
    Mon, Jun 20 2011 7:21 AM

    I have ran into this problem a number of times on different courses and all different game types,  after changing clubs a few times and zoom view in and out I can get the aimer to come back.

    But when it does the aiming arc stays throughout the shot,  the next shot aimer is fine no arc when shooting.

    However, if I couldn't get the aimer to show up and took the shot anyway, I am afraid that it would be a shot at my own risk. 

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Mon, Jun 27 2011 3:30 PM

    Thanks for all your support.  Just rec'd my 100c adjustment from WGT.  They did the right thing.

    No, it is one thing for me to play, then them to charge me if my round was sound.  But once they take my 100c, it is their responsibility to make sure I get a sound game.  As with any business, if someone pays for something, and don't get what they paid for, the business has a responsibility to make good.  Same with WGT.  I paid 100c for a sound, glitch-free RG.  They did not deliver that, so they made good and refunded my 100c.

    Great work, WGT.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Jun 27 2011 4:22 PM

    Now learn your lesson from this. You didn't see the aimer and made an assumption-your total bad. Lucky for you WGT didn't see fit to argue the point but you f'd up by hitting anyway when something wasn't right. More than likely it was a bad load that would fix itself on a restart.

    Don't assume the aimer is on the pin in the future. There's more than one hole where it isn't. 

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Mon, Jun 27 2011 10:51 PM

    I guess we see this differently.  In my opinion, as soon as there was a glitch in my round that was not of my making (no fault of my equipment, conection, fingers, etc), I deserved my 100c back.  I should not have to stop, halt my momentum if I have any, and restart the game to get a smooth glitch-free round.  If it is a free tourney, I don't have a leg to stand on.  But once I paid my 100c, WGT had a responsibility to deliver a quality product, and they almost always do.  This time, they didn't.  It happens.  But they made good.

    If they would have had an argument, it's that I shouldn't have finished the round.  It's a valid point.  Had I nailed the chip for par and birdied the last, I would have gladly taken the prize that comes from a 31 at BPB in an RG, and not said a word.  I would counter that I had no guarantee they would refund my credits, so was trying to not lose anything due to their error.  And next time, I will take a SS of the screen with no cursor.  Should I then end the game right there, regardless of score, and just e-mail them for my refund?

    I honestly think it's is humorous and a little sad that so many see this differently.  I'm a chef, and if I deliver a sub-standard meal, the guest has every right to ask for their money back.  Nothing bought from an established company is ever buyer beware.  If I pay Joe down the block for a game of video golf, and it glitches, and Joe won't give me my money back, I lose.  But if I pay any company for a round of video golf, and it glitches, I deserve my money back, just like with any other product.  Heck, if I was at an arcade playing video golf, and the game glitched, the arcade owner would refund my tokens.  Why do so many think WGT should be any different?  In fact, as there is skill gaming involved, they have an even greater responsibility to deliver a quality product.  As I paid my 100c, if I have to restart in the middle of the game, so should every other player in that RG, or the playing field isn't level.  And in skill gaming, you HAVE to start with a level playing field.

    That's why the talk of the beast is amusing, but why WGT absolutely denies it's existence.  Anything that smacks in the slightest of WGT artificially affecting or altering the outcome of skill gaming contests is governed by numerous gaming commisions, all of which frown heavily on that sort of thing.  The 20% is essentially the vig for WTG.  The rest has to be absolutely fair and square.  It would be like a basketball team that was high scoring being given a basket that was 1/2 inch smaller to even things out, or a hockey goal a 1/2 foot narrower, or needing 10 and 1/2 yards for a first down.

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Mon, Jun 27 2011 11:02 PM

    But yes, Jim... I did learn one lesson.  and especially in the future, if it's a round I don't want to lose, I will restart when a glitch happens.  In this case, I really don't think the cursor would have been there after a restart.  I really think if you are at that place on that hole, there is no cursor.  And I know there are shots that the cursor isn't on the hole, but those, you CAN SEE the cursor, and it's not on the hole.  If you shoot at that spot anyway, it's your bad.  Other glitches like the club the caddy hands you.  Today, I was at a spot on a fairway at SA, back 9, either 15 or 16.  62y to the hole, my caddy is recommending a 7 iron.  If I just grab a club and hit, my bad.  I don't think this one is like that.  I just don't think there is a cursor from there.  I tried to hit there, earlier, LOL.  Couldn't get to the spot, but I know others have been there.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Jun 28 2011 4:53 AM

    JaLaBar:
    I guess we see this differently.  In my opinion, as soon as there was a glitch in my round that was not of my making (no fault of my equipment, conection, fingers, etc), I deserved my 100c back.

    So every time the meter stalls you think you have a case to get your money back? That's realistic.

    JaLaBar:
    if I have to restart in the middle of the game, so should every other player in that RG, or the playing field isn't level.

    How exactly is this making the field unlevel? I notice you don't complain about the tee advantage you have or that you can afford to spend money on clubs that others can't. How level is a field where you have good clubs and others don't? I can't wait to see  how unfair you think it is when you make Legend and have to compete against guys  that buy the good stuff and skulk around the lower levels enjoying an immense advantage, something you will have for a long time.

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Tue, Jun 28 2011 6:30 AM

    Was a tier RG... no tee advantage.  And yes, if I have momentum, and I am on a roll, and I have to stop and restart the game when others in the same RG don't due to a WGT error it does unlevel the playing field.  Also, meter stalls can not be definitively blamed on WGT.  I did say a glitch that was not of my making.  Meter stalls usually are of my making, or at least not of WGT's making.  As this was a WGT error, it is their responsibility, not mine.  I paid my 100c for a clean round.

    The rules governing Legends playing against other tiers are written down.  I regularly play with a TP, and I am well aware that they shoot from closer tees, even now as a TM.  So, if I choose to play against them, I do so knowing that the playing field is unlevel.  I do so at my own risk.  However, if I enter a Tier RG (the only RGs I play), I have a right to expect that all the TMs in that RG will have the same WGT based experience in that RG.  The same applies with clubs.  I can choose to buy better clubs, or not.  An issue of my making.  I didn't get a choice whether to have an aiming cursor on that hole.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Jun 28 2011 6:52 AM

    Maybe the Bug Report you submitted will help them. You did submit one, didn't you? Or would that have unleveled the playing field, too, since you're sure nobody else had issues in that RG and would have had to interrupt your momentum to do so.

    Your thread title claims WGT owes you money. I think you scammed them out of it. JMO

  • luckysump
    638 Posts
    Tue, Jun 28 2011 9:03 AM

    WGT owe me a Ashton Martin DB9, I've not got that yet. Just thought i'd Jog your memory.   

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