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Mon, Jul 23 2018 6:33 PM (150 replies)
  • pmm711
    5,702 Posts
    Mon, Apr 30 2018 7:21 PM

    garyk49:
    Since then not 1 has been added, with the following exception.  That as ages ago, there has been one other promoted to that tier(died, if I remember correctly, and was advanced to honor the player), that profile is no longer there.

    Gary, His profile still exists phiber

    el3n1:

    a lot of varying thoughts floating around...but with just over a year under my belt I still feel new compared to the old timers... yet, I have learned and progressed with this game thanks in part to these forums!  there are a lot of tips available, but despite all of my progress I still see it as nearly impossible to really be competitive with the top players even in the Legend tier.  And maybe after a year, I should not quite be there yet but the challenges often look far to great to have a fair shot...given everything going on...honest and probably less so...

    What is odd to me is the top scores in the Legend tier tournaments have at times even been lower than the Tour Legend group and even competitive with the champions.  Many of the top Legend players do not waste their time with red tee tournaments because they are restricting their number of ranked rounds to only ready go tournaments and WGT high credit payout events.  The top Legends do not have saturated averages yet they have scoring averages well into the Champion tier range.  They are just that good and many of them have several thousand dollars worth of credit wins.  These individuals appear to be lingering as long as they can in the Legend tier even though they can beat some of the best champion players at times. 

    Does that sound fair and reasonable to the legends that are not trying to game the system? How can we possible win credits against  champion caliber players like this when they are mopping up the top payouts on a fairly regular basis and still not getting promoted with averages in the 50's without saturation!  I am sorry, but if you have an average without saturation kicking in and you are already holding an average in the 50's strictly playing ready go's and WGT credit events you do not have a red tee average...

    they are more likely an elite player gaming WGT and sandbagging so they can clean up in the "softer field of Legends" than play among their peers as champions many of whom they can and have beat in tier less ready go's.  Sorry, but this doesn't sound reasonable, more like a pro athlete going back to college to steal your girlfriend and starting job on the school team to break all the scoring records and maybe get paid under the table...  some may be legitimately good players and others may be cheats, I don't know... all I know is the system WGT uses to allow such players to remain in the Legend tiers is unfair to all those others trying to have a reasonable or fair shot at winning a few credits against what are clearly champion caliber players.  

    because of this, I still avoid Ready Go's and I only hope I can improve enough to have a chance to win some credits in Ready Go's before a saturated average ends up promoting me before the sandbaggers.

    Dude...you get it. 

    The only thing wrong about advancing the Top 100-200 Money Earners, as Lonnie suggests, is that there are cheaters amongst that group.  And my feelings about them...well...F 'em

  • Luckystar5
    1,638 Posts
    Mon, Apr 30 2018 7:33 PM

    Yes, we all get it!  Reward the chaters, and multis.  Since we haven't heard anything from anyone, is it safe to assume, that, the biggggg  surprize was the Titleist golf balls?  No wonder mods were puking!  All the talk, and suggestions, about tiring up, and tourneys, is all for nothing!  I agree with you 1000%,  we got it alright! 

  • garyk49
    2,331 Posts
    Mon, Apr 30 2018 8:16 PM

    pmm711:

    Gary, His profile still exists phiber

    Thanks Paul, could not remember the name.  He used to show up along with Iconian when doing a blank Tour Champion search.  Now the only one that shows is Iconian, even tho the profile shows as TC.  Maybe the search cuts off if an account has had no activity for some period of time.

    So maybe WGT has elevated others, but you have to use a name search to find them.

  • pmm711
    5,702 Posts
    Mon, Apr 30 2018 9:46 PM

    garyk49:

    pmm711:

    Gary, His profile still exists phiber

    Thanks Paul, could not remember the name.  He used to show up along with Iconian when doing a blank Tour Champion search.  Now the only one that shows is Iconian, even tho the profile shows as TC.  Maybe the search cuts off if an account has had no activity for some period of time.

    So maybe WGT has elevated others, but you have to use a name search to find them.

    Phiber never showed up in a search by TC...only Iconian.  I don't think anyone else besides Phiber was elevated to TC...and his was just in honor bestowed upon him after he passed.  I believe his CC made the request to elevate him to TC.


  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Mon, Apr 30 2018 10:48 PM

    pmm711:
    Phiber never showed up in a search by TC...only Iconian.  I don't think anyone else besides Phiber was elevated to TC...and his was just in honor bestowed upon him after he passed. 
    +1

    AFAIK, he was promoted posthumely and the account was de-activated. Thus it doesn't show in the search.

    Never heard about any other TC besides these two.

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 5:31 AM

    pmm711:
    The only thing wrong about advancing the Top 100-200 Money Earners, as Lonnie suggests, is that there are cheaters amongst that group.

    They / If...are already there, and not going anywhere it seems so...

    The idea still stands as a reasonable one..coupled with Daz' idea of promotion / demotion, sounds fine to me.

  • el3n1
    4,502 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 6:08 AM

    pmm711:
    The only thing wrong about advancing the Top 100-200 Money Earners, as Lonnie suggests, is that there are cheaters amongst that group.  And my feelings about them...well...F 'em

    I haven't followed all of the top 100 - 200 players, so I can't speak to this completely.  But, my impression is...despite the presence of "cheaters" in the champion tier the top players that I have learned from watching on youtube appear to not only be playing the game clean, but they are still winning against the cheaters.  Sometimes the cheaters may get an edge and that remains problematic but are they winning all the time against the champion tier players?  It doesn't sound or look like it but they do win some of the time no doubt, especially if there is unlimited entry available to that tournament where they can set themselves up to go low and have a better shot at winning in the end.  Now some, but not all top champion players do this as well, out of necessity somewhat to remain competitive in the final round...

    Of course unlimited entry is popular because it uses up more hits on balls and keeps people playing, but what would the difference be between holding 10 single entry events versus just 1 unlimited entry event?  The one event would still get lots of play, but the single entry event would minimize or restrict the chances of cheaters by removing their option to restart countless times.  I have not doubt WGT will not do away with unlimited events, but to an extent they have done so with Ready Go's, which I believe are single entry.  

    Given the top champion players are still winning credits in large amounts, I don't see where Lonnie's suggestion of promoting all of the top earners is necessarily problematic...  The champions are far more likely to win and raise a ruckus over suspected cheaters, but why should lower tiers and Legends be expected to play against both champion tier caliber players that are sandbagging even if they are playing clean and honest.   These type of players stand out like a sore thumb they are easy to identify.. And, to me this is almost as offensive as the cheaters because WGT is allowing them to remain in a tier well below their playing ability even if they are playing the game clean or honest.  So, in this case both cheaters and champion caliber players in the Lower tiers should be promoted on a discretionary basis by WGT if they notice something like this...if they are going to give developing players a reasonable chance to win credits in the lower tiers.  

    And, yes I feel Legend is a "lower tier" and has a very large distribution of skill levels because of the forced promotions by WGT through saturation.  And, yes as others have pointed out there are red tee champions, but they know what they are getting themselves into by doing that.  However, given the length of time WGT has been around there are likely even champions who have been promoted by WGT through saturation due to years and years of playing WGT but they don't feel they can compete with the top tier champions on a regular basis because they are as others have shared playing at an entirely different level.

    I don't presuppose it is a complete straight forward topic but it does seem as though WGT could use more discretion regarding those players that are specifically targeting ready go tournaments, holding a scoring average in the 50's without saturation, and winning hundreds of thousands of credits in the Legend tier, especially when they are winning credits in tier less ready go's against the top champion players.  

     

  • el3n1
    4,502 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 6:28 AM

    I just want to add, there are far more great people in this community than the bad apples that can seemingly sour some aspects of the gaming experience for us.  I would also suggest it is the community connections, the support and help provided that nearly outweighs the game itself.  

    Now if we can learn how to turn those bad apples into a nice cider beer we may just all sit around the same table and throw a few back and laugh at how crazy this game can drive us sometimes...

  • TopShelf2010
    10,929 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 7:59 AM

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  • el3n1
    4,502 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 8:07 AM

    from my perspective, the person "stopping to enjoy the game" is not specifically targeting credit events against players they can easily dominate rather than competing against their peers of equal champion caliber skill level.

    I feel you would also see those type of players also making contributions to their clubs if their club chooses to participate in clashes, they would also be participating in club tournaments that didn't necessarily offer credit prizes for the sake of supporting their club events.

    but "stopping to enjoy the game" as a champion caliber player and knowing you can easily win against lower tier players whom you are competing against comes across more like a sandbagger and not just someone simply stopping to enjoy the game.  if the latter were truly the case they wouldn't be only targeting credit events...at least from my perspective...

     

     

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