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• Robert1893 7,722 Posts

  Sun, Apr 29 2018 7:32 PM

  Well, the important thing is that you're not bitter and defensive. 
  
  Dude, you can deflect all you want, but people raised legitimate questions and points. If you don't want to address them, that's fine. But don't try to write this off as the people who responded to you as being somehow at fault. 
  
  Maybe decaf is an option you should consider. :-) 

• kavvz 2,195 Posts

  Sun, Apr 29 2018 8:28 PM

  deputydog65:

  ....  But I'm sorry I even said anything so no more from me I'm done. 

  THANKS FOR THE NORMAL WGT RESPONSE

  What are you even talking about, the people discussing things and ideas in this thread are just fine.

• deputydog65 482 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 9:03 AM

  Not trying to deflect but I'm not the guy with all the answer's but I just thought it was time for that.Yes very good point's brought up I just dont have the answer's hence the discussion. I thought was I good idea now I dont know.

• Luckystar5 1,641 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 9:35 AM

  There are alot of very smart people playing this game, unfortunately there are alot of smart a $$es too. Just ignore them, this game could be totally fantastic, if wgt would listen to the many great suggestions that are put forth in these forums.  But, if the bottom line isn't more $ for them, we are all just spinning our wheels.  Just remember back on all the changes that they have tried, and it brought forth twice as many glitches. This tells me that they just do the minimum amount of programming, with even less testing, why,  time is money!  They don't care about the majority of us, and what we think.  (Unless it translates into more money) I understand that they have to have profits too.  Personnally, I don't play the tourneys, I might be able to score well enough to compete, but it just doesn't interest me.  I have fun with the coin games, and my cc, that's where my enjoyment is, and I'm sure others agree with me, and some wont. Some suggestions in here, about how to get to a tour champ, completely rule out my chances of moving up.  But does it really matter?  I'm sure it will be a sore spot with others! My suggestion is that if your here to make money, move on, if you're here for fun, just roll with the punches, and forget about it.    Good luck to you, what ever you decide!!!!!

• pmm711 5,709 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 11:02 AM

  Luckystar5:

  There are alot of very smart people playing this game, unfortunately there are alot of smart a $es too. Just ignore them, this game could be totally fantastic, if wgt would listen to the many great suggestions that are put forth in these forums.  But, if the bottom line isn't more $ for them, we are all just spinning our wheels.  Just remember back on all the changes that they have tried, and it brought forth twice as many glitches. This tells me that they just do the minimum amount of programming, with even less testing, why,  time is money!  They don't care about the majority of us, and what we think.  (Unless it translates into more money) I understand that they have to have profits too.  Personnally, I don't play the tourneys, I might be able to score well enough to compete, but it just doesn't interest me.  I have fun with the coin games, and my cc, that's where my enjoyment is, and I'm sure others agree with me, and some wont. Some suggestions in here, about how to get to a tour champ, completely rule out my chances of moving up.  But does it really matter?  I'm sure it will be a sore spot with others! My suggestion is that if your here to make money, move on, if you're here for fun, just roll with the punches, and forget about it.    Good luck to you, what ever you decide!!!!!

  +1 Can't argue anything you said there.

  The problem I have with some of the suggestions stated in this thread on ways of advancing to Tour Champion don't address the players who cheat in this game.  Some of the suggestions suggest higher price tourneys which is a great idea, but, with higher payouts the cheater/multi issue will only get worse.  You create huge payouts and that tier will be a joke...unless certain "known problems", which seem to be currently ignored, get addressed.  The tier has to have a very high level of integrity in it for it to truly represent anything "special/great".
  
  And to me, a multi isn't a cheater unless they enter/win RGs or play Match Play or Skins for credits at are ripping people off.  If someone wants to have multiple accounts or have multiple family members play on one account so be it...who cares????  Unless of course those accounts are stealing credits, and I hate to say it, "worthless coins', from other players. 

  My nephew's son started to play his grandfather's account (my brother's account) after he died and WGT suspended the account.  Why?  The kid wasn't entering RGs or anything...he was merely keeping his grandfather alive in the game which was actually therapeutic in many ways for the family. 

  When I see WGT policing those situations while turning their backs on credit thieves who prey via auto-dingers, multi-accounts, sandbagged accounts, etc. well that's just f'd up IMHO.  The focus on blocking accounts should be based on players with high credit stacks who enter RGs, etc. where cheating directly affects other players.

  I will say that a lot of us are dumbfounded when updates come out and stupid BS is introduced to the game.  WGT has lost us when the focus drifted away from creating a better virtual golfing simulation experience to one that is focused on idiotic bells and whistles.

• lonniescott711 4,207 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 11:44 AM

  DAZZA501:

  Just promoting players to tour champion because of their ranked rounds and average will give us in the same problem we have now. We'll have loads of tour champions complaining they can't compete. Just like we had a few years back when the champion tier was released. It serves them right for playing red tee tournaments only.

  Thats not how Tour Champion is supposed to work . According to WGT T/C will be by invitation only . You cant play to get there like the other tiers . Thats why it would make more sense to promote the 100 - 200 top money winners . They will all have established the fact that they can play and win . Then by adding the top 50 players every year after will always keep the tier fresh and competitive .

   

• Luckystar5 1,641 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 12:14 PM

  That's all well and good, but it still gives those that aren't interested in tourneys, nothing to look forward to, or play for.  I understand what you're saying about playing to earn it, my problem is, after reading these forums for over a year, and all the gripping about cheats, and multi accounts, I just don't care to get involved with that portion of the game.  Im sure that there are many of us that feel that way,  and will just have to remain stagnant.  I would be willing to bet, that, like someone said earlier, no matter what they do, not everyone would feel that it would be fair. So have they really solved anything, or just giving someone something else to grip about?  Wgt just might be damned if they do, and damned if they dont!!!!!

• Luckystar5 1,641 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 12:27 PM

  Either way, the forums aren't going to die!   :-)   lol

• el3n1 4,502 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 3:47 PM

  a lot of varying thoughts floating around...but with just over a year under my belt I still feel new compared to the old timers... yet, I have learned and progressed with this game thanks in part to these forums!  there are a lot of tips available, but despite all of my progress I still see it as nearly impossible to really be competitive with the top players even in the Legend tier.  And maybe after a year, I should not quite be there yet but the challenges often look far to great to have a fair shot...given everything going on...honest and probably less so...

  What is odd to me is the top scores in the Legend tier tournaments have at times even been lower than the Tour Legend group and even competitive with the champions.  Many of the top Legend players do not waste their time with red tee tournaments because they are restricting their number of ranked rounds to only ready go tournaments and WGT high credit payout events.  The top Legends do not have saturated averages yet they have scoring averages well into the Champion tier range.  They are just that good and many of them have several thousand dollars worth of credit wins.  These individuals appear to be lingering as long as they can in the Legend tier even though they can beat some of the best champion players at times. 

  Does that sound fair and reasonable to the legends that are not trying to game the system? How can we possible win credits against  champion caliber players like this when they are mopping up the top payouts on a fairly regular basis and still not getting promoted with averages in the 50's without saturation!  I am sorry, but if you have an average without saturation kicking in and you are already holding an average in the 50's strictly playing ready go's and WGT credit events you do not have a red tee average...

  they are more likely an elite player gaming WGT and sandbagging so they can clean up in the "softer field of Legends" than play among their peers as champions many of whom they can and have beat in tier less ready go's.  Sorry, but this doesn't sound reasonable, more like a pro athlete going back to college to steal your girlfriend and starting job on the school team to break all the scoring records and maybe get paid under the table...  some may be legitimately good players and others may be cheats, I don't know... all I know is the system WGT uses to allow such players to remain in the Legend tiers is unfair to all those others trying to have a reasonable or fair shot at winning a few credits against what are clearly champion caliber players.  

  because of this, I still avoid Ready Go's and I only hope I can improve enough to have a chance to win some credits in Ready Go's before a saturated average ends up promoting me before the sandbaggers.

• garyk49 2,331 Posts

  Mon, Apr 30 2018 4:10 PM

  lonniescott711:

  Thats not how Tour Champion is supposed to work . According to WGT T/C will be by invitation only . You cant play to get there like the other tiers . Thats why it would make more sense to promote the 100 - 200 top money winners . They will all have established the fact that they can play and win . Then by adding the top 50 players every year after will always keep the tier fresh and competitive .

   

   

  As far as I can see this all is a moot point, for all intensive purposes TC is a dead tier.  Iconian was put there to test the tier(and no I don't have any problem with him there(wgticon), if you would rather).  Since then not 1 has been added, with the following exception.  That as ages ago, there has been one other promoted to that tier(died, if I remember correctly, and was advanced to honor the player), that profile is no longer there.  Iconian is still the only one listed, unless I didn't search correctly.

  A number of people have suggested others to be put there in their honor, but WGT refuses.  But yet they still don't advance anyone to that tier, will they ever?  How long has it been around???

  We here can suggest all we want, and we all know what that will get us.  They don't see this, nor do they care.

  Wait, if I remember reading(awhile back) something correctly, we need to flood them with emails with your suggestions for TC.  They have said in the past, that is how some of these bells and whistles happen.  If I remember correctly, that is how we got the meow ball.  It was suggested by the millions thru email.(may not have been the cat ball, but it was something nobody had ever heard anyone asking for)