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Mon, Jul 23 2018 6:33 PM (150 replies)
  • DonCaron
    5,502 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 8:08 AM

    garyk49:

    Thanks Paul, could not remember the name.  He used to show up along with Iconian when doing a blank Tour Champion search.  Now the only one that shows is Iconian, even tho the profile shows as TC.  Maybe the search cuts off if an account has had no activity for some period of time.

    So maybe WGT has elevated others, but you have to use a name search to find them.

    I wish they had promoted Andyson to Tour Champion. I think that would have been fitting

     

  • TopShelf2010
    10,929 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 8:33 AM

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  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 10:36 AM

    DonCaron:

    I wish they had promoted Andyson to Tour Champion. I think that would have been fitting

    Oh yes indeed.  I'm surprised they did it for Phiber, quite a brave move that surely must have been seen as opening the doors for many other worthy and sadly passed away members.

    If ever anyone deserved it then it has to be Andyson.

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 10:37 AM

    Just to clarify my above post.  Having read it after posting I realised it could be seen as saying Phiber wasn't worthy of the honour of promotion to TC.

    This wasn't my intent in any way, I only wanted to say Andyson was at least, if not more, worthy.

  • el3n1
    4,502 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 11:42 AM

    pmm711:
    The only thing wrong about advancing the Top 100-200 Money Earners, as Lonnie suggests, is that there are cheaters amongst that group.  And my feelings about them...well...F 'em

    Similar to the Legend tier, it seems or sounds like over time, the champion tier has also grown into a diverse group of players.  Given some of the concerns expressed by champion members, would the following be a fairly true assessment?

    You have about 5 levels of champion style players at least: 

    red tee champs, 

    champs promoted due to saturation very good players but not consistently shooting those crazy low numbers all the time, 

    legitimate champs but not elite players, 

    champs that have developed into elite players, 

    then you have champs that cheat that can fall in any of these ranges but on a good day still even challenge and beat the elite players that dominate the leaderboards regularly.

    Given the WGT and Ready Go's cap off at the champion tier, all of these players are competing for the same credits to offset the expense of playing this game, which with the growing cost of some balls over time can build up quite a bit.  Given that the prize pools largely reward only the top players, others simply try to break even or just make enough to keep themselves supplied in balls without doing surveys or watching 2 credit videos.  for some, the game can almost become unsustainable unless you want to grind out credits in these other ways.  

    Individual clubs can seek to balance that out by incorporating a handicap system, but it is hard to determine whether WGT could implement something along these lines that would not also be susceptible to being exploited.  

    This is probably why in part, some feel opening up the next tier to the elite champion players so they could compete in their own events, while the average champions if you can call them "average" can once again have a reasonable shot at wining credits in some of the WGT events and or Ready Go's for their tier.  

    That said, I also feel there has to be a way to possibly stop the slow churn of "champion level players" dwelling in the lower tiers even if they are playing a clean game they are clearly far better than 98%-99% of the Legends and allowed to clean up hundreds of thousands of credits for what appears to be years in some cases...

    Opening up the Tour Champion (even if it is by invitation or WGT discretion only ) may help spread out these players and that tier will likely grow eventually over time if the game doesn't end...at which point you create an EXPERT tier I guess.  I don't know, but I can fathom and understand some of the concerns of various players.

     

  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 1:35 PM
    If the Tour Champion tier was to be opened up then a qualifying tournament is the best way to go about it. Not the unlimited grind rubbish. 4 rounds of tough conditions, all single play and the top 100 get promoted. 1 tournament every 3 months. Wgt could even charge an entry fee. I'm sure they'll be a few that would go for it. I know i would.
  • justacowboy
    1,338 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 1:50 PM

    DAZZA501:
    If the Tour Champion tier was to be opened up then a qualifying tournament is the best way to go about it. Not the unlimited grind rubbish. 4 rounds of tough conditions, all single play and the top 100 get promoted. 1 tournament every 3 months. Wgt could even charge an entry fee. I'm sure they'll be a few that would go for it. I know i would.

    lol   charge a fee to become a tour champion ????    now that's a joke

  • pmm711
    5,702 Posts
    Tue, May 1 2018 5:02 PM

    el3n1:

    pmm711:
    The only thing wrong about advancing the Top 100-200 Money Earners, as Lonnie suggests, is that there are cheaters amongst that group.  And my feelings about them...well...F 'em

    Similar to the Legend tier, it seems or sounds like over time, the champion tier has also grown into a diverse group of players.  Given some of the concerns expressed by champion members, would the following be a fairly true assessment?

    You have about 5 levels of champion style players at least: 

    red tee champs, 

    champs promoted due to saturation very good players but not consistently shooting those crazy low numbers all the time, 

    legitimate champs but not elite players, 

    champs that have developed into elite players, 

    then you have champs that cheat that can fall in any of these ranges but on a good day still even challenge and beat the elite players that dominate the leaderboards regularly.

    Given the WGT and Ready Go's cap off at the champion tier, all of these players are competing for the same credits to offset the expense of playing this game, which with the growing cost of some balls over time can build up quite a bit.  Given that the prize pools largely reward only the top players, others simply try to break even or just make enough to keep themselves supplied in balls without doing surveys or watching 2 credit videos.  for some, the game can almost become unsustainable unless you want to grind out credits in these other ways.  

    Individual clubs can seek to balance that out by incorporating a handicap system, but it is hard to determine whether WGT could implement something along these lines that would not also be susceptible to being exploited.  

    This is probably why in part, some feel opening up the next tier to the elite champion players so they could compete in their own events, while the average champions if you can call them "average" can once again have a reasonable shot at wining credits in some of the WGT events and or Ready Go's for their tier.  

    That said, I also feel there has to be a way to possibly stop the slow churn of "champion level players" dwelling in the lower tiers even if they are playing a clean game they are clearly far better than 98%-99% of the Legends and allowed to clean up hundreds of thousands of credits for what appears to be years in some cases...

    Opening up the Tour Champion (even if it is by invitation or WGT discretion only ) may help spread out these players and that tier will likely grow eventually over time if the game doesn't end...at which point you create an EXPERT tier I guess.  I don't know, but I can fathom and understand some of the concerns of various players.

    I agree with every one of your posts in this thread.  There are a bunch of us who "get it".  That's why I'm a bit miffed that WGT folks don't seem to get it...or they actually do but don't give a rat's azz.

  • el3n1
    4,502 Posts
    Wed, May 9 2018 3:23 PM

    pmm711:
    I agree with every one of your posts in this thread.  There are a bunch of us who "get it".  That's why I'm a bit miffed that WGT folks don't seem to get it...or they actually do but don't give a rat's azz.

    Thanks... am hoping WGT may see the growing concern by the players that make up the backbone of their community that helps to sustain the game and begins to realize there is value even monetarily for them to make adjustments, lest they continue to see players leave or retire from playing.  If I have been able to discern these thing despite being relatively new, it stands to reason others could as well and spend even less time attempting to rise through the ranks...  Maybe they will or are already considering making adjustments.  

    I know some things take time... when I reported the Nike back door on mobile platform to them to find out if I could use it to get the clubs for myself... I was told it didn't work, but it did and took them a good 8 months before they closed it.  This time when they pulled the Nike balls, they removed even the option to view the specs for the ball.  So they knew or learned they had to be more thorough to ensure the new balls would be used.  This shows me they too are learning and sometimes it takes time.  I guess we can still hope. 

  • kavvz
    2,195 Posts
    Wed, May 9 2018 3:57 PM

    justacowboy:

    DAZZA501:
    If the Tour Champion tier was to be opened up then a qualifying tournament is the best way to go about it. Not the unlimited grind rubbish. 4 rounds of tough conditions, all single play and the top 100 get promoted. 1 tournament every 3 months. Wgt could even charge an entry fee. I'm sure they'll be a few that would go for it. I know i would.

    lol   charge a fee to become a tour champion ????    now that's a joke

    I'll bite, why is that a joke?  The perk for paying to play in the qualifying tournament would be they get to play in higher credit tournaments.  Call me crazy, but many would give it a go and certainly the elite would in a heartbeat.  

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