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Tue, May 8 2018 5:41 AM (13 replies)
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  • jacktrade51
    11,161 Posts
    Sun, May 6 2018 8:37 PM

    2018 US Open at Shinnecock and they are not giving us that.  2019 at Pebble Beach.  So that is done.

    We need real new courses.  

    Not to mention last 4 courses have single pin position.

    We need real new courses, preferably with 2 pins per hole.  

    In short term, buy out TruGolf make Cabo & Whistler free. 

    Bring back Oakmont.  You are still talking to them or there would not be 2 of their holes in 2018 VUSA.

    Two of those 3, long time WGT members would relax a lot.

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Sun, May 6 2018 9:44 PM

    Nice daydreams...

  • craigswan
    31,784 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 3:04 AM

    There is a farmer along the road from me who has just opened a driving range and a 6 hole pitch and putt course . I could have a word with him for a new course on wgt . He might jump at it .

    Although hole 4 is a killer .

    125 YARDS ACROSS A POND .

    If you play short your in water . If you play long your in his wheat field .

    And the green is at 30 degree's .

    Never made less than ten .

  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 3:25 AM
    craigswan:
    Never made less than ten .
    Try putting around the pond Craig. Unless it's a really brutal hole and there is thick rough all around ;-)
  • HackWilson1930
    1,437 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 4:40 AM

    TopGolf, and thus WGT, a division of TopGolf, is a for profit company. They have a budget that covers fixed costs as well as money spent on new developments and expansion.This is an entertainment company so one can expect that most of their development budget will be aimed at their most profitable business.

    While we can't see their P & L statement, looking at available information suggests that the profit comes from the TopGolf venues. TopGolf venues are a mix of profit centers from the driving range to the food service to the bars. Their primary users are in the 18 to 34 age group (54%).

    WGT's profit center is their advertising . People will say it comes from the sale of virtual balls, but that may be a flawed idea since so many "free" credits are derived from these advertisers.

    I live near a new TopGolf venue that will be opening this summer. It is a large development that has taken a major investment  in construction as well as a site purchase in area where where land prices have risen due to other developments. Obviously TopGolf considers this investment as the best use of their money.

    Mapping costs of a new course as well as any fees paid to the course would not bring NEW business to WGT and thus to TopGolf.  That new business is key. A new user on WGT is excited because there are many courses to play. Why put in a costly new course only to satisfy the older users who still play. That same new course does not increase the advertising dollars because the advertisers only care about user contacts. Since WGT does not cull their membership lists, no one really knows how many ACTIVE  users exist.

    Best guess, based on history and TopGolf's venue expansion, is that  the active players group is shrinking. The demographic  that is into PC gaming is not that interested in games such as WGT.  Simple economics thus says to put money into the 18 to 34 bracket, which TopGolf is doing. Don't look for a new WGT course unless it can in some way become a profit center. Since it can't, it won't happen.

     

  • BobApollo
    2,039 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 5:08 AM

    Hank, you covered this topic completely.

     It's hard to accept that a new course won't be coming ever, but based on how you covered the topic, I don't see where you could be wrong.

    Best not to even think about new courses, more pins or numerous other better things.  This isn't the site for it, this year or any year. 

    On the good side, it's still the best online golf site as it is.

  • mkg335
    5,491 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 7:39 AM

    In addition, the pc version is Flash-based, and that dinosaur is headed for the tar pits.

  • fireman33
    2,692 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 7:53 AM

    just give us 4 pin placement of the courses we have now would be a game changer. This would not cost anything but a programmers time which are already on the payrole.

    Guess they are afraid they will screw something up like always when they work on things. More pins of each hole would be nice....

  • pmm711
    5,702 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 8:25 AM

    fireman33:

    just give us 4 pin placement of the courses we have now would be a game changer. This would not cost anything but a programmers time which are already on the payrole.

    Guess they are afraid they will screw something up like always when they work on things. More pins of each hole would be nice....

    Supposedly each pin placement requires a lot of pictures to provide all the varied angle views given to us when putting.  Those pics weren’t taken when they visited the courses.  And I know you’ve had putts with really lousy views.  That’s what we would get if they added pin locations.  Additional “guesses” on proper aim.

  • BPeterson8256
    2,912 Posts
    Mon, May 7 2018 8:49 AM

    jacktrade51:

    We need real new courses.  

    You're going to have to wait. They have already announced the next new course. 

    "As part of our effort to grow and celebrate the game of golf we all love, the USGA and WGT are excited to announce the first-ever Virtual U.S. Amateur this year. This new virtual Championship will be played on the same course that the U.S. Amateur will be played this August, Pebble Beach, followed by Pinehurst Resort and Country Club in 2019.

    In 2020, the U.S. Amateur will be hosted at Bandon Dunes and as a result we'll be busy working on the full 18 holes of the iconic Bandon Dunes Golf Course."

    I would like more new courses too  but that said, this is a pretty damn cool game as is  

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