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⚽ PREDICTOR - 2018 WORLD CUP ⚽

Tue, Jul 31 2018 1:19 PM (1,397 replies)
  • ostfriedel
    2,052 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 4:32 AM

    A 19-Jun Russia 3 0 Egypt
    A 20-Jun Uruguay 4 0 Saudi Arabia
    B 20-Jun Portugal 1 1 Morocco
    B 20-Jun Iran 0 5 Spain
    C 21-Jun France 4 1 Peru
    C 21-Jun Denmark 3 0 Australia
    D 21-Jun Argentina 0 0 Croatia
    D 22-Jun Nigeria 1 1 Iceland
    E 22-Jun Brazil 1 2 Costa Rica
    E 22-Jun Serbia 1 3 Switzerland
    F 23-Jun Germany 3 2 Sweden
    F 23-Jun Korea Rep 0 2 Mexico
    G 23-Jun Belgium 2 0 Tunisia
    G 24-Jun England 3 0 Panama
    H 24-Jun Poland 2 2 Colombia
    H 24-Jun Japan 3 2 Senegal

    Matchday 2

  • SPINO1
    5,394 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 4:43 AM

    Matchday 2

     

    A 19-Jun Russia 1 1 Egypt
    A 20-Jun Uruguay 3 0 Saudi Arabia
    B 20-Jun Portugal 3 0 Morocco
    B 20-Jun Iran 0 4 Spain
    C 21-Jun France 2 0 Peru
    C 21-Jun Denmark 1 1 Australia
    D 21-Jun Argentina 3 0 Croatia
    D 22-Jun Nigeria 2 1 Iceland
    E 22-Jun Brazil 2 0 Costa Rica
    E 22-Jun Serbia 2 0 Switzerland
    F 23-Jun Germany 3 0 Sweden
    F 23-Jun Korea Rep 0 2 Mexico
    G 23-Jun Belgium 6 0 Tunisia
    G 24-Jun England 3 0 Panama
    H 24-Jun Poland 2 2 Colombia
    H 24-Jun Japan 1 1 Senegal

     

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  • reddog1965
    1,184 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 5:34 AM

    Matchday 2:

    A 19-Jun Russia 0 2 Egypt
    A 20-Jun Uruguay 2 1 Saudi Arabia
    B 20-Jun Portugal 2 0 Morocco
    B 20-Jun Iran 0 3 Spain
    C 21-Jun France 2 1 Peru
    C 21-Jun Denmark 2 0 Australia
    D 21-Jun Argentina 3 1 Croatia
    D 22-Jun Nigeria 0 2 Iceland
    E 22-Jun Brazil 3 2 Costa Rica
    E 22-Jun Serbia 0 2 Switzerland
    F 23-Jun Germany 2 1 Sweden
    F 23-Jun Korea Rep 0 3 Mexico
    G 23-Jun Belgium 2 0 Tunisia
    G 24-Jun England 1 1 Panama
    H 24-Jun Poland 1 2 Colombia
    H 24-Jun Japan 1 0 Senegal

     

  • bery111
    3,859 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 6:24 AM

    Matchday 3

    A 25-Jun Uruguay 2
    1
    Russia
    A 25-Jun Saudi Arabia 0
    3
    Egypt
    B 25-Jun Spain 3 1
    Morocco
    B 25-Jun Iran 1
    2 Portugal
    C 26-Jun Australia 2
    1 Peru
    C 26-Jun Denmark 2 2 France
    D 26-Jun Iceland 2
    2 Croatia
    D 26-Jun Nigeria 1
    2 Argentina
    E 27-Jun Switzerland 2 2
    Costa Rica
    E 27-Jun Serbia 1 3
    Brazil
    F 27-Jun Mexico 2
    1
    Sweden
    F 27-Jun Korea Rep 1
    4 Germany
    G 28-Jun Panama 1 2 Tunisia
    G 28-Jun England 2 1
    Belgium
    H 28-Jun Senegal 1
    3 Colombia
    H 28-Jun Japan 0
    3
    Poland

     

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 6:45 AM

    I thought I'd sent you all my predictions Johnny.

    Here you go, just in case my gin addled brain forgets them later on : )

    Matchday 2:

    A 19-Jun Russia 2
    0
    Egypt
    A 20-Jun Uruguay 2 1 Saudi Arabia
    B 20-Jun Portugal 3
    1
    Morocco
    B 20-Jun Iran 0 3 Spain
    C 21-Jun France 2 0
    Peru
    C 21-Jun Denmark 1
    0 Australia
    D 21-Jun Argentina 2
    1 Croatia
    D 22-Jun Nigeria 0 0
    Iceland
    E 22-Jun Brazil 3 0
    Costa Rica
    E 22-Jun Serbia 1
    1
    Switzerland
    F 23-Jun Germany 2 0
    Sweden
    F 23-Jun Korea Rep 0 2
    Mexico
    G 23-Jun Belgium 3
    0 Tunisia
    G 24-Jun England 2
    0
    Panama
    H 24-Jun Poland 3
    1
    Colombia
    H 24-Jun Japan 1 1
    Senegal

     

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 6:49 AM

    Matchday 3

    A 25-Jun Uruguay 2
    1
    Russia
    A 25-Jun Saudi Arabia 1
    0
    Egypt
    B 25-Jun Spain 2
    1
    Morocco
    B 25-Jun Iran 0
    4
    Portugal
    C 26-Jun Australia 1
    1 Peru
    C 26-Jun Denmark 1
    2 France
    D 26-Jun Iceland 1
    2 Croatia
    D 26-Jun Nigeria 0
    3
    Argentina
    E 27-Jun Switzerland 1
    2
    Costa Rica
    E 27-Jun Serbia 1 3
    Brazil
    F 27-Jun Mexico 1
    1
    Sweden
    F 27-Jun Korea Rep 0
    3
    Germany
    G 28-Jun Panama 0
    2 Tunisia
    G 28-Jun England 1
    2
    Belgium
    H 28-Jun Senegal 0
    1
    Colombia
    H 28-Jun Japan 0
    2
    Poland

     

     

  • craigswan
    31,832 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 8:10 AM

    World Cup 2018: Should you enter your office sweepstake?

    It's that time of year (or every other year) when a big football tournament is kicking off and one of your colleagues suggests a sweepstake.

    Should you venture £1 on this?

    Let's leave aside questions of team bonding, the evils of gambling and the likelihood that the eventual winner will spend their winnings on biscuits for the team. Reality Check is interested only in the odds.

    Consider a World Cup sweepstake in which it's £1 to enter, all 32 teams are drawn and the person who draws the eventual winner gets all the money.

    Their effective odds will have been 31 to one (because when you bet with a bookmaker, you get your stake back if you win).

    Compare that outcome with a situation in which you draw the name of one of the 32 teams out of a hat and then go and put £1 on that country to win with the best available odds at a bookmaker.

    What you want in a sweepstake is to end up with better odds than you would at the bookies, so we're interested in how many teams you could draw for which that would be the case.

    As the tournament kicks off, the answer to that question is nine. There are nine teams for which there are odds in the bookies of less than 31 to 1 against them winning. For example, if you draw Brazil in the sweepstake and they win the World Cup then you get £32, while if you'd bet that pound on Brazil at the bookmakers you'd be struggling to get more than about a fiver.

    The nine countries are:

    • Brazil
    • Germany
    • Spain
    • France
    • Argentina
    • Belgium
    • England
    • Portugal
    • Uruguay

    So if you are the first person drawing in the sweepstake then you have a nine in 32 chance, about 28%, of picking a team for which you'd have better odds than you'd get at the bookmakers.

    Under the circumstances, you would be considerably better off choosing a random team and putting £1 on it at the betting shop. For example, if you've drawn Iceland in the sweepstake and they somehow manage to win the tournament, then you'll win £32 via the sweepstake when you would have won £200 or £300 if you'd made that bet at the bookmakers.

    This is partly because the World Cup is structured with its seeding system in a way that favours highly ranked teams, making it relatively unlikely for two of them to have to play each other before the quarter-finals, and harder for an outsider to win the tournament.

    But this does not take into account that the nine people who would be better off using the sweepstake if their team won are hugely more likely to be holding the winning ticket than the other 23.

    Prof Kevin McConway, from the Open University, says the odds being quoted suggest that there is about an 87% chance of one of those nine teams winning.

    That means that at the end of the tournament, there is an 87% chance that the person who wins the sweepstake will have won more money than they would have done through the bookmakers.

    That makes the sweepstake sound much better than the bookmakers, but it's not the end of the story.

    The expected winnings are thrown out by the bigger returns that you would get at the bookmakers in the extremely unlikely event that a smaller footballing nation won the World Cup. If Saudi Arabia won it, you could get about £2,000 from the bookmakers for your £1 stake, but only £32 from the sweepstakes.

    If you look at it this way there is not a lot of difference between the two systems, with sweepstakes coming out slightly on top because your colleague organising it is (presumably) not taking a cut, while the bookmaker will be.

    Feeling bitter

    And there are other complicating factors here.

    If you are not the first person drawing in the sweepstake, then the odds change every time a team is drawn. So, if you see Brazil or Germany going, then your odds deteriorate. Whereas if a succession of sporting minnows are drawn, your odds improve.

    If you are organising a sweepstake, then this is why you need the draw either to be secret or to make sure everybody has paid you before anyone draws. Nobody is going to enter a sweepstake if only Panama and Saudi Arabia are left in the hat.

    Many sweepstakes are not organised to be winner-takes-all, which complicates matters somewhat. Perhaps you'll give £16 to the winner, £10 to the runner-up and £6 to the team that is knocked out first.

    Although this spreads the winnings, it does not alter the expected winnings from the sweepstake.

    This is not to say that picking a team out of a hat and betting £1 on it is a particularly good idea either.

    Maybe the Reality Check team is just missing the point here, or maybe the author of this piece is feeling bitter because he drew Costa Rica in the office sweepstake.

     

  • bery111
    3,859 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:13 AM

    5 nil? Wow!

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 10:45 AM

    bery111:

    5 nil? Wow!

    And I believe nobody went for such a pasting.

  • carlosdev
    2,559 Posts
    Thu, Jun 14 2018 11:18 AM

    lol everybody failed with the first guessing, isn't it lol :D 

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