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Blind shots

• FEDMOON 1,132 Posts

  Thu, May 24 2018 6:07 AM

  When some holes do not permit you actually aiming the ball because a photo angle showing the ball striker is prepared over an angle that shows the landing area...
  
  ...is it really appropriate to update the fonts?
  
  Who cares about fonts when aspects of the game are barely playable??? Try putting some time in to update the game rather than the cosmetics please.

• DonCaron 5,502 Posts

  Thu, May 24 2018 8:20 AM

  A lot of times you can reverse the view and get a better look. Kiawah has a lot of blind shots and you have to do this.

• borntobesting 9,700 Posts

  Thu, May 24 2018 11:09 AM

  FEDMOON:

  When some holes do not permit you actually aiming the ball because a photo angle showing the ball striker is prepared over an angle that shows the landing area...
  
  ...is it really appropriate to update the fonts?
  
  Who cares about fonts when aspects of the game are barely playable??? Try putting some time in to update the game rather than the cosmetics please.

  DonCaron:

  A lot of times you can reverse the view and get a better look. Kiawah has a lot of blind shots and you have to do this.

  Don you actually understood him??  Except for the updated fonts statement (Which leads me to believe he is playing mobile) I have no clue what he is talking about. I have no clue what he means by ball striker.

  If he is playing mobile I could see the problem the last update could be causing him. There is a glitch from the last update that causes Custom courses not to have flagsticks on some holes. That could present a problem that even the reverse view couldn't help. Depending of course on the size of the device he is playing on. with no flagsticks on my Iphone 8 plus the hole is almost impossible to see even in the reverse view.

  But he doesn't say if hes is playing mobile or the web version. If he is playing on the web then I really have no clue what is is talking about. Maybe he can elaborate his meaning,

• Robert1893 7,719 Posts

  Thu, May 24 2018 11:33 AM

  @ borntobesting
  
  I agree with you. I really don't have any idea what the person is saying. In my experience, there are very few shots that are truly "blind." But with experience and use of the mini map, they can fairly easily be navigated. 
  
  Nevertheless, I suppose if one is playing on his or her phone then the mini map probably doesn't provide any help. 

• FEDMOON 1,132 Posts

  Thu, May 24 2018 3:16 PM

  Firstly - yes I am a mobile player. I understand the alternate views ('turning the camera')
  
  To clarify, a blind shot is one where I cannot see the aiming cursor - thereby having to guess distances.
  
  
  For example - the 1st on Erin Hills. If my drive goes to a certain distance...:
  
  View (1) shows a tiny target on a tiny strip of fairway that is impossible to judge.
  View (2) shows the ball striker (your avatar. the golfer). A completely irrelevant view unless you are hitting backwards.
  View (3) shows a point in the fairway well short of the reach of my 3 wood. 
  
  There are blind shots like this all over the game - but all the 'updates' are cosmetic. Why can there never be any updates that actually improve gameplay?
  
  I can use the mini map to some extent - but I'm talking about holes where I cannot even see the target in any view that allows me to reasonably move it. Ultimately I end up playing a guessing game when it would be surely be an easy fix - using the example I provided view (2) could be replaced by one that actually shows the target in a position that allows me to adjust it.
  
  I love the way some people skipped over the point I was trying to make -  that the fonts are being updated when there are huge gameplay flaws - but there is a more detailed explanation of the particular flaw I was referencing. 
  
  There are more - none of which I am even going to get into - and each of them is more worthy of an update than the fonts.
  
  If you can't see my point by now you probably don't know who is striking the ball when a ball is being struck...I mean - really? You don't understand who is striking the ball?
  
  Really? There's only one avatar on screen to choose from...
  
  Anyway - update gameplay and not cosmetics please.
  
  To repeat - gameplay is more important than cosmetics. THAT is my point - but feel free to misunderstand that if you must.

• Robert1893 7,719 Posts

  Fri, May 25 2018 8:27 AM

  @FEDMOON

  A number of points could be made. But I'm only going to focus on a few.
  
  First, the reason we "skipped" over your point or felt "free to misunderstand that if [we] must" is your point and writing were not clear. While you may not want to admit that, it remains true.
  
  Second, I disagree with you regarding the second shot on Erin Hills no. 1. Yes, the views provided could be better. But it's not a blind shot. I've played it multiple times and have always felt as if I had a good idea of the landing area. It is not "Impossible to judge."

  And third, the old argument that "there's more, but..." is (at best) pretty weak. You spend enough time complaining about how we misunderstood you or failed to address what you wrote. You could have taken that time to provide specific examples.
  
  Bottom line: with no good, specific examples, you really haven't established your point. Nevertheless, to address your point. Changing fonts and addressing other issues of the game are not mutually exclusive. If they thought both were necessary, then they would most likely address them.
  
  In other words, they didn't make a decision to change the font as opposed to fixing the issue you think should be addressed. Or, to put it another way, in their mind, they didn't think one was more important than the other. They appear simply to think that what you want fixed is not an issue.

• xlviii 502 Posts

  Fri, May 25 2018 8:56 AM

  I too didn't understand your original comment.

  As to a "blind shot", I've never encountered a shot without a camera angle. If the camera button doesn't give me a good angle, I click on the cameras in the mini map until I find one that shows me what I need to see.

• FEDMOON 1,132 Posts

  Fri, May 25 2018 7:38 PM

  Firstly, I would like to thank DonCaron, Robert1893 and xlvii for at least trying to address my incoherent ramblings.
  
  I admit that I wasn't wholly clear in the original post. Basically frustration got the better of me in the moment - and the post was rushed because I was in the middle of a round. The title alone is misleading regarding the point I am trying to make.
  
  I will gladly admit that and concede Robert's first point - with caveats that I shall address at the end of this post.
  
  I would like to point out though, that you cannot see the screen I was looking at.
  
  So whilst I will concede your first point, your second point is somewhat speculative. I would not have been making any such post as this were I not wholly frustrated with the camera options at my disposal - the only angle that lets me see the cursor is too tight to actually judge where the cursor is and the mini-map is useless because the section with the arrow denoting the position of the aiming cursor is hidden behind the display for the wind speed/hole distance/hole number. 
  
  As to my main point - there was no issue (at all) with the fonts. They did not need changing.
  It's not even really a case of "there's more, but..." which I admit would be weak if there weren't so many niggling little flaws. A few of which I will list below. There are more - but what can you do about it anyway? Feel free to scroll past them as you've probably heard them before...
  
  Tonight I was halfway through a tourney round when the game decided to end the round for no apparent reason. The round was not saved.
  
  That is an issue and it needs addressing.
  
  At least 2 dinged shots tonight were not affected by the 10-12mph side-wind - instead following right along the line of my cursor.
  
  That is an issue that needs addressing. 
  
  There is a 'glitch' in the mobile game that at times means I have to put my phone down for 10-15 minutes and wait until the game becomes playable again...
  
  ...that is an issue...etcetera...
  
  After the latest 'update' the yardage for shots (other than putting) from the fringe is corrupted in a curious way.   e.g.  A fringe putt reading 55.6 FT will read 55.6 YDS when a wedge is selected.
  This is easily overcome - but is a prime example of flaws that should not even make it into the game. It shouldn't even make it out of the initial testing phase...
  
  ...but the update changed the fonts, which there was nothing wrong with.
  
  I would accept your point that "If they thought both were necessary, then they would most likely address them" if the font issue had been necessary - but it wasn't.
  
  Correcting gameplay flaws is necessary, in my opinion - but obviously opinions can differ. 
  
  As to a final point - when I was (admittedly) unclear in my initial rant, is there some reason that a polite request for clarification could not have been forthcoming?
  
  Instead there was initial ridicule from someone 'amazed' that somebody else actually understood what I was talking about. That was followed by comments about me in the third person - without anyone actually asking me directly for further clarification.
  
  The tone of that exchange led to my response being somewhat confrontational, for which I now apologise profusely - but I would add that as a general rule if I don't understand something I either a) Try to understand it or b) Leave it for someone who does understand (or has the patience for a)).
  
  Trying to ridicule people simply because you don't understand them is unnecessary. It simply added to my frustration - which is my problem, true - but who hasn't been frustrated when playing golf in some form?
  
  I generally don't post in the forums (I will be in no rush to in future), but frustration overwhelmed me and I have become painfully aware that reporting issues directly to WGT is a waste of my time - or perhaps 'one of my suggestions will be implemented in a future update' as they always say.
  
  I seriously doubt it though.
  
  Sometimes the inherent problems of the mobile version are just frustrating enough to require me to vent somewhere. Clearly this is not the place to do that - but where else could I express my annoyance?
  
  
  

• Robert1893 7,719 Posts

  Sat, May 26 2018 1:34 PM

  @ FEDMOON
  
  You raise some very fair points. Apologies if anything I wrote or how I responded added to your frustration. 
  
  Even so, I still contend that the shot on Erin Hills really isn't a blind shot. I guess I'm speaking in general. Maybe it was for your particular shot, but then that would fall into the category of more of an idiosyncrasy than an actual flaw that needs addressing. I agree that the camera angles aren't the best. But I still think they're very workable. 
  
  And you're correct about the recent bug that was introduced when pitching around the green. Rather than displaying in the appropriate yardage, it's taking the number of feet and displays that number in yards. So, if you're off the green by 9 yards (as an example), it displays as 27 yards. 
  
  But that glitch only started happening with the most recent update. Sure, it probably should not happen. But I doubt they check every aspect of the game when they do an update. It was most likely just an unintended consequence that happened when they tweaked some other aspect of the game in the recent update. 
  
  By the way, I've never experienced the glitch that requires me to put IPad down for 10-15 minutes and wait until the game becomes playable again. And I've been playing for over 3 years. So, it is possible that what you're experiencing there is a user-specific glitch and not a glitch with the game.