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Fri, Apr 12 2024 1:42 PM (1,957 replies)
  • Yiannis1970
    3,306 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 11:31 AM

    It does not pass your mind that all the thousands players who play this game do not possess the same knowledge about the game eh?

  • Robert1893
    7,722 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 11:45 AM

    shing1:
    i dont want the game to be easy, i want the game the same for everyone, so if players are shooting under 30 or under 60 everytime they play, they obviously aint getting the same amount of VEM in there game as other very good players....for some strange reason!!

    Or a person could simply conclude that they are obviously better players. 

    There's a qualitative difference between a very good player to an excellent player to an elite player. One of the first things to look at determine that difference is the one-putt percent. 

    I just did a quick glance at the top-10 players in earnings for the year. As a group, no one has a one-putt percent below 60% and the average is 66.7%. 

    And turning to sand saves and scrambling stats, all of them (except 2) have percents over 80% with a couple over 90% in each category. For the other two, one is in the 70s and the other is in the 60s.

    Bottom line is this: when they're on the green, they know how to make putts. And when they're around the green they know how to turn potential bogeys into pars (if not birdies). 

    None of the above has anything to do with VEM. It's simple knowledge and skill. A person needs both to be elite. I have decent knowledge and average skill, which is why I'm never going to be better than I am, which is good enough for me. But I have no problems acknowledging the skill others possess that I do not. 

  • shing1
    443 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 2:42 PM

    ok

    i do know there are hundreds of players out there better than me

    i do know stats n averages mean bugger all, cos the top players rarely play with mates n probably never play game for fun like 7iron n putter only or starter ball games, so the top players averages will always be good

    i do know im a ok player who can shoot 55s, like many others but especially lately with all the glitches, inconsistencies, vem - whatever u wanna call them , its getting harder n harder for players who are capable to do it consistently like the top players do.

    so the question is - is it possible or impossible in any way to reduce the VEM or control it?

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • Robert1893
    7,722 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 2:55 PM

    shing1:

    so the question is - is it possible or impossible in any way to reduce the VEM or control it?

    Actually, the real question i this: As a player, can you just ignore it and play the game and have fun?

    If you can't, time to find a new hobby. The reason is every bad shot or bad round takes one down the road of the "game is out to get me." 

    Besides, I've always had the mindset that VEM can help but doesn't hurt.

    In other words, as I post bad rounds, VEM may kick in to make the game a bit more forgiving. When I have a string of good rounds, VEM defaults down to the normal stringencies of the game. Additionally, I've never thought of VEM as targeting a specific shot as much as it relaxes some constraints. 

    in the aggregate, that makes for a pretty consistent game. I once charted all my scores at Champion tier. The resulting distribution is about as close as one will ever come to a normal distribution curve with real-world data. It's exactly what I would expect.

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 3:16 PM

    " I once charted all my scores at Champion tier. The resulting distribution is about as close as one will ever come to a normal distribution curve with real-world data. It's exactly what I would expect."

    Yup...the 'ol bell curve.  I once charted all my rounds when I made legend...it looks like yours except the curve is inverted. I never took the game seriously after that..lol

    ct

  • Robert1893
    7,722 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 3:24 PM

    LOL!

  • HenryKawa
    1,725 Posts
    Mon, Dec 21 2020 3:41 PM

    Thank you Robert.  Good information above.  Very well written and exactly right on!

  • shing1
    443 Posts
    Tue, Dec 22 2020 2:28 AM

    so the question is - is it possible or impossible in any way to reduce the VEM or control it?

    can any one answer this question?

    if u cant answer it dont reply n if u can then great, thanks

  • Yiannis1970
    3,306 Posts
    Tue, Dec 22 2020 3:11 AM

    shing1:

    so the question is - is it possible or impossible in any way to reduce the VEM or control it?

    can any one answer this question?

    if u cant answer it dont reply n if u can then great, thanks

    Yes, we have answered this question many times (various opinions) in threads regarding VEM. Take a look on the threads regarding vem and you will find the answers you seek.

     

  • shing1
    443 Posts
    Tue, Dec 22 2020 3:37 AM

    that is not a answer, that is a look on the forums for 5hrs and you know there will be no mention of if its possible 

    so again!!

    so the question is - is it possible or impossible in any way to reduce the VEM or control it?

    can any one answer this question?

    if u cant answer it DO NOT  reply n if u can then great, thanks

    possible or impossible is the answer

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