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Too much ....too low

• Tonto0206 460 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 3:20 AM

  I like a lot of you am a member of a country club.

   

  I like to play competion golf but the scores whenever I look at the leaderboard are so insanely low, it is a waste of time entering.

   

  I shot a 29 around the front nine at St Andrews once and that was as good as i'll ever get. So to see gross 50+ scores  for 18 holes is just impossible to compete against.

  I don't mind chucking in a few credits to enter but I will not bother if I am constantly up against low 60's and high 50's in CC comps.

  Something has to be done against these people who are obviously not playing this game in an honest way.  How can one possibly shoot a 25 around the front 9 of St Andrews....utterly ridiculous.

  My problem is that I never see these low shooters actually playing, they are just always at the top of leaderboards.

  I've spent enough $$$ here to feel cheated and if WGT want to tolerate that then good luck to you.  It won't take too long for the majority to wise up that they are being ripped off in a not too subtle way.

• Wontonamo 2,269 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 4:24 AM

  been here 2 months, played 200 odd games and u want to be at the top of the leader boards? cmon man - thats ridiculous. there must be 40000 posts regarding 'not playing this game in an honest way' or 'if i cant shoot it how possibly can someone else do it' in this forum. ive seen the socalled youtube videos etc and imo theyre crap - basically to get better u need to playmore, get the better equipment and learn to putt.

• Funkyjunkie3000 722 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 4:25 AM

  Tonto0206:

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  Something has to be done against these people who are obviously not playing this game in an honest way.  How can one possibly shoot a 25 around the front 9 of St Andrews....utterly ridiculous.

   

  yep they must be cheaters as they are better than you........sigh

• piztaker 5,743 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 4:40 AM

  I've done a 60 on Bethpage and even missed a couple of putts. And I have no way of cheating and am 60 years old. The low scores are possible for those with good clicking skills and a quick brain.

• Jedef 63 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 5:21 AM

  Tonto0206:

  I like a lot of you am a member of a country club.

   

  I like to play competion golf but the scores whenever I look at the leaderboard are so insanely low, it is a waste of time entering.

   

  I shot a 29 around the front nine at St Andrews once and that was as good as i'll ever get. So to see gross 50+ scores  for 18 holes is just impossible to compete against.

  I don't mind chucking in a few credits to enter but I will not bother if I am constantly up against low 60's and high 50's in CC comps.

  Something has to be done against these people who are obviously not playing this game in an honest way.  How can one possibly shoot a 25 around the front 9 of St Andrews....utterly ridiculous.

  My problem is that I never see these low shooters actually playing, they are just always at the top of leaderboards.

  I've spent enough $$ here to feel cheated and if WGT want to tolerate that then good luck to you.  It won't take too long for the majority to wise up that they are being ripped off in a not too subtle way.

  Hi m8   I understand your frustration   I have also tried to question the validity of the 50 + scores and was met with the same attitude ( from the same people mostly)  (see Unlikely Scores) as you will be.  There is no doubt that, as in every game , there are whizz kids who just have the knack and can post these scores .  The truth is they are probably genuine .Apart from some players using a meter cheater to avoid ever going in the rough off the tee, ( thus setting up a perfect 2nd shot to the green every time) the rest appears to be skill based as everything still has to be calculated.  3 wedges can also be used as there is no need for a Hybrid and with the Cleveland wedges and Burner 2.0 irons, holes are opened up in a way that is impossible with other clubs. just keep plugging away  till you can get the top clubs and in the meantime your skill level will improve and you'll begin to shoot lower scores. Whether you and I will ever compete with the big boys is irrelevant if you do your best and above all enjoy the game. If players really are cheating then they are more to be pitied than envied.  I would have found it more convincing however, if a few players had tried to explain rather than dismiss all posts with disdain.   Anyway good golfing and  look me up for a game ,  I'll try to help you retain your interest and belief if I can.  It is after all a great game.

• Tonto0206 460 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 5:53 AM

  Thanks Jedef, that is exactly my point.

  My cousin has the best clubs,driver, balls and putter and no way on earth is he gonna break 60 on any course with or without wind.

  The 2nd at St A is a nightmare, you can be 10 foot away and take bogey.

  Bollucks to you smarmy arsed fukkers that think this game is genuine and there are whizz kids out there.  Show me one in real life and in a real game and on a real computer,without assistance.

  What a disappointment you are Piztaker, the attitude of a tired old man who has seen it all before, but really has no knowledge or experience. Just keep coming out with the same old boring cliches.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 8:00 AM

  Jedef:

  Hi m8   I understand your frustration   I have also tried to question the validity of the 50 + scores and was met with the same attitude ( from the same people mostly)  (see Unlikely Scores) as you will be.  There is no doubt that, as in every game , there are whizz kids who just have the knack and can post these scores .  The truth is they are probably genuine .Apart from some players using a meter cheater to avoid ever going in the rough off the tee, ( thus setting up a perfect 2nd shot to the green every time) the rest appears to be skill based as everything still has to be calculated.  3 wedges can also be used as there is no need for a Hybrid and with the Cleveland wedges and Burner 2.0 irons, holes are opened up in a way that is impossible with other clubs. just keep plugging away  till you can get the top clubs and in the meantime your skill level will improve and you'll begin to shoot lower scores. Whether you and I will ever compete with the big boys is irrelevant if you do your best and above all enjoy the game. If players really are cheating then they are more to be pitied than envied.  I would have found it more convincing however, if a few players had tried to explain rather than dismiss all posts with disdain.   Anyway good golfing and  look me up for a game ,  I'll try to help you retain your interest and belief if I can.  It is after all a great game.

  Well said, its these new irons, they can make long irons act like wedges. hence the low scores

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 12:50 PM

  I used to be one that wondered how those kinds of scores were possible.  I never thought anyone cheated, just that perhaps they were better than I was capable of being.  But, having shot a 29 for 9 holes on SA that missed being a 24 by a total of 6', having shot a 27 back 9 in the RSG qualifier and a 28 front, having shot a 59 at SA and a 28 front 9 at BPB, and knowing that in every case, I left strokes out there I shouldn't have needed... I can see how someone could shoot mid20s, or low 50s.  Understand, you won't see many mid-20s or low 50s on single play tourneys.

  Let's take for example the RSG qualifier.  Bollox shot a 52.  I'd be curious how many attempts he'd estimate it took.  I know the best I did was 58 and I probably tried 70 times and kept 15 scores.  But in the Open, single play rounds, with nearly 200 players capable of shooting below 60, only one player managed to average that for two rounds.  Understand the conditions were much more difficult in the Open than the qualifier, but if they were cheating...  I think Bollox shot mid 120s in the Open.  If he was able to cheat his way to a 52 in the qualifier, wouldn't he have averaged better than 63 a round in the actual championship?  There were only 2 or 3 sub-58 rounds out of the 350+ played.

  No, this isn't real golf.  There are no variables here.  Theoretically, it is possible to play the best possible shot every time here.  So given unlimited reps on a severely limited number of courses (compared to reality), is it any wonder that people eventually learn the best way to play each shot with each club?  Some of these folks... maybe not as far as meter and ding, but as far as course navigation, some of these folks could probably get around with their eyes closed, save perhaps putting.

  There's an interesting question for the top players.  If you kept your eyes closed for all but putts, how would you do?  I'm betting 50% greens at least if you could only see to ding.  So, you stand on the tee box, close your eyes, aim your shot, draw back and release then open your eyes for the ding.  Close your eyes and aim your shot, draw back and release, open your eyes for the ding.  I bet some here could come close to par on some courses LOL

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 1:04 PM

  JaLaBar:

  So, you stand on the tee box, close your eyes, aim your shot, draw back and release then open your eyes for the ding.  Close your eyes and aim your shot, draw back and release, open your eyes for the ding.  I bet some here could come close to par on some courses LOL

  I draw the backswing back and leave my eyes closed until after I click. Doesn't everyone do that?

• iukine 195 Posts

  Thu, Aug 4 2011 1:18 PM

  This is what I've Been saying, and trying to impress upon WGT, the cries of cheat go on and on and on, when that is just not the case!  What is going on is the tourneys are all you can play, and when the good players see this it's feeding time! The cut line line is then driven down so low, that the guys can't reproduce those scores in the championship. Getting so many tries that it's no longer fair to the players who don't get as many shots at it as another player does. Once again I submit a suggestion that may help. 3 to 4 practice rounds with 1, and only 1 qualifying round. And then 4 rounds of championship golf just like the PGA does it. All of the customers here on WGT should voice their opinions to WGT thru their Email, and hopefully something will be done. WGT informed me that they would be discussing this issue. But all of us need to remind them about it! this is important for integrity of this game. It is, after all a game. But even games have rules to give all the players a fair shake. Remember the good players aren't cheating, they're just getting a lot more tries than you are, a serious flaw in the way this game is set up. 

  Aloha to all, iukine.

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