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Thu, Sep 15 2011 9:37 AM (10 replies)
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  • Woodoworkery
    3,498 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 7:31 AM

    Does anyone have any tips on  figuring out the breaks in the greens?

    This is getting really old , one day you come up with a system figuring out the breaks in the green and it works fine, you think finally I figured out the system. ( because it is a program game ) the next day BAM wrong does not work.

     What the heck gives these guys that are shooting in the 50's and low 60's are not just getting lucky, and don't tell me it takes practice I play this game 7 days a week at least 4 hours a day. 

    Plus a lot  are talking about the green speed that is very simple to fix make a chart and tape it to the screen( like putter pal ) better just do the math.

  • TheAceFactor
    2,147 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 7:56 AM

    The best tip I can give you and anyone else that may read this is....when someone gives you a tip and actually says "I know what I'm talking about" . Go to their profile and view their stats and you may find yourself , (like me)  asking yourself...     What  was it that they were  " talking about " again ?  , because it  dang sure wasn't this.

     

                                                                                                                                Ace

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 9:19 AM

    Woodoworkery:
     What the heck gives these guys that are shooting in the 50's and low 60's are not just getting lucky, and don't tell me it takes practice I play this game 7 days a week at least 4 hours a day.

    Stats are a good place to start, Gary. Look at theirs and compare them to yours. Work on the short game, get that 18 feet down and double your saves and scrambling and it will fix itself-the putts will be shorter.  :-)

     

  • SHRUDE
    5,835 Posts
    Wed, Sep 14 2011 8:42 PM

    Woodoworkery:
    Plus a lot  are talking about the green speed that is very simple to fix make a chart and tape it to the screen

     

    some good basics around in the forums

    look at the green 1st

    look at elevations 2nd

    look at wind 3rd

     

    but the break?

    I have nothing for ya :(

  • tiffer67
    1,764 Posts
    Thu, Sep 15 2011 3:12 AM

    Woodoworkery:

    Does anyone have any tips on  figuring out the breaks in the greens?

    This is getting really old , one day you come up with a system figuring out the breaks in the green and it works fine, you think finally I figured out the system. ( because it is a program game ) the next day BAM wrong does not work.

    This isn't really a tip but it is how I have improved my putting stats over the last 6 months. I don't do this on every hole on every course as there are many greens where I can consistently read the breaks or where my approach is sufficiently close not to have to worry too much over the line. It requires a bit of patience and effort but I found it worthwhile as I cannot rely on my memory.

    Prior to taking my putt I take a screenshot of the green with where I have aimed. I then hit my putt and if it goes in I make a note on the saved screenshot saying "Holed Putt" or whatever. When I have missed I then draw an arrow as to where I think I should have aimed. You can do that easily enough with Paint. I then save it. In time you build up a library of putts from pretty much all angles to the hole. When I am playing on my own in a tournament it is something I can refer to if I am unsure of the line.

    As I said it takes a bit of effort but I can honestly say it was a big factor in me qualifying for the US Open. I had real difficulty reading the Congressional greens early on and it was invaluable as a point of reference.

     

  • Hanswurst72
    1,097 Posts
    Thu, Sep 15 2011 5:58 AM

    Never thought of that picture-taking, seems to be a lot of work but a great idea and well worth it! Always interesting to see how people deal with the occuring problems...

    Cheers, Hans

  • SOYEL1
    698 Posts
    Thu, Sep 15 2011 6:35 AM

    I'm not so good with words in English, but I'll do my best. Putting, as some say .. is an art..and a difficult one. First I start with the distance... Depending on speed... you will have to use the actual distance of ur meter.. or more... or less. For Tournament greens.. I have to use less than the distance my putter scale says. If I have a 15 ft putt.. I go somewhere around 12(add 1 extra foot if arrow is pointing up even if it says 0 in) Check always the arrow that indicates uphill and downhill... could mean a lot, especially with short putts... some people complain about being short on those but they simply think that 7ft arrow pointing up is actually 7... it's more (at least that's how I see it) the other thing to consider is that is if you want to play the break or just hit it hard so it doesn't break much, the latter is risky in downhill putts cause you may end up very far from the hole if you miss.. that is because you have to hit it harder in order to make the putt straighter, thus.. if u fail.. see you putting longer than u would like to. If you play with the break.. then you probably need to aim farther from the hole than it really seems.. but hitting it softer.. and  trying not to hit it so soft that it doesn't reach the hole. For shorter putts, I prefer hitting it a bit harder and using less break... the distance between the arrow and the hole being closer. For longer ones.. I play the break... giving it more distance right or left of hole as you get farther, but also if it is downhill and the little dots are moving faster or slower. Take a look at the color of the grid.. red or blue.. If the putt is uphill you may want to hit it with  less break than for the same distance downhill.

    Whats the real distance to the hole? Not what it says all the time... You have to add or subtract inches up or down to the feet.. then use more or less(usually less) with the meter.. the longer the distance.. the more you take from ur putter meter.. how much? I can't tell exactly how much. For 15 I use around 12 if it is flat.. or around 13 if I want to hit it straighter and it is uphill..so if I miss.. it will go maybe a couple of ft passed.. still puttable. For 30... something around 25, for 60.. around 48-50... for 70  around 56-58.. Beware of big descending slopes... like in Oakmont 2 or Bethpage (15?), this doesn't always apply there in all the greens as balls speed up when going down a very steep downhill. I am, of course referring to tournament greens, but if you are playing against a legend.. they are even faster! For legend greens and 15 ft putt.. 10-11 is enough, provided  it's flat.  2 or 3 inches down.. then maybe something around 7 or 8 could be more than enough.

    Another thing... all greens are not the same. for some reason, Kiawah dots are fast in some holes and you get an almost straight putt while in others there's a real tough break ahead. Playing the courses regularly and making notes(even mentally) can help. This is not a dictionary for every one, just some hints on how I do it.. some may have better ideas or putt better and think this is rubbish. I get away with a putt in many times while others I keep wondering what went wrong in that putt, like so many others. Hope you get something useful out of it.

    Good luck!

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Thu, Sep 15 2011 7:45 AM

    tiffer67:
    As I said it takes a bit of effort but I can honestly say it was a big factor in me qualifying for the US Open. I had real difficulty reading the Congressional greens early on and it was invaluable as a point of reference.

    Worked for me!

    Unbelievable result so I had to post the replay!

    I putted around on RSG#1 green trying to match Tiffer's spot in the photo above.  Once I got pretty darn close I thought, I moved the aimer to Tiff's white arrow.  Then I noticed his green speed was "very fast" and I was on Tournament!  Soooo I gave it roughly 1/4 more break than Tiff indicated.  Just a feel thing.  I calculated the  power at 13.5ft and hoped I dinged it. 

    I was fortunate I dinged it for a change. LOL  And it went in!!

    Tiffer's method works.  I gotta admire his patience and persistence because that's a lot of work when you consider all the angles around a cup and all the holes.  

    Its also got to be a feel thing for you Tiff when you're closer or farther from the pin and on the same or close line.  Props to you for figuring that out as well.

    Here's a 3-layer photo.  My aim point, the track from my replay, and Tiffer's marks.

  • tiffer67
    1,764 Posts
    Thu, Sep 15 2011 7:57 AM

    Wow Andyson, never expected anyone to go to those lengths to prove it one way or other, lol.

    Don't get me wrong, I do not have a huge library of pictures from all angles on all holes across all the courses. I do have a lot for Congressional mainly because I had the greatest difficulty in reading the greens there and I desperately wanted to qualify for the US Open.

    Now I just concentrate on certain holes. As an example the 7th on Bethpage. When the pin is on the right behind the bunker very often you have a 30 feet putt cross green. I found it very difficult to consistently read the line, so I am building up screenshots of that hole. The 9th at Kiawah is another that proves problematic.

    When you play as much as I do often it is just a case of trial and error through repetition, this is just a more foolproof method than relying on my memory.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Thu, Sep 15 2011 8:52 AM

    tiffer67:
    Wow Andyson, never expected anyone to go to those lengths to prove it one way or other, lol.

    I never doubted it worked for you, I wanted to see if I could make it work for me before I invested my time on Kiawah #2 or 4 or 5 or 6 or.............LMAO any hole on Kiawah.

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