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Thu, Dec 17 2020 7:02 AM (108 replies)
  • mystry78
    880 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 3:28 PM
    lonniescott711:

    Yiannis1970:
    Does wgt have the capability to manipulate INDIVIDUAL PLAYER'S equipment? The answer is YES, we have the capability to do nearly anything to ANYONE, any course, any time, anywhere

    Its not that there is no VEM because there is . But we all dont play and get the same level of VEM because we all dont play at the same level . The game doesnt play the same for anyone at any time .

    Exactly Lonnie, thank you!
  • maoriand1
    1,287 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 3:33 PM

    I don t know about the vem and I Don t think wgt put his finger to someone random just to destroy his game. Anyway in the past when something wrong happened to me I always thought "they destroy my game"... After lot of years I get wrong and weird shots but I get super shots and long putts as well.. So at the end I think we should never judge only the bad or wrong that happen but everything.. At 360degree of the game I think no one can say " everything I do is right.. Everything is wrong is up to wgt vem".

     

  • kavvz
    2,195 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 3:34 PM

    DodgyPutter:

    kavvz:

    I don't know why Pizza making a post to squash conspiracy theories is absurd.  If what I've read on here is true it's clear lots of people think they have "favourites". 

    To me, that is absurd.

    Confused again, is that directed at me?

    Well yes.  Didn't you take exception to Pizza clarifying that they don't use VEM in an underhanded way, or did I read ALL of that wrong.  :)

  • kavvz
    2,195 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 3:35 PM

    mystry78:
    lonniescott711:

    Yiannis1970:
    Does wgt have the capability to manipulate INDIVIDUAL PLAYER'S equipment? The answer is YES, we have the capability to do nearly anything to ANYONE, any course, any time, anywhere

    Its not that there is no VEM because there is . But we all dont play and get the same level of VEM because we all dont play at the same level . The game doesnt play the same for anyone at any time .

    Exactly Lonnie, thank you!

    That's not what's at issue.

    It's the assertion that they play favourites is the topic, and has been my interest all along.

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 3:50 PM

    kavvz:

    DodgyPutter:

    kavvz:

    I don't know why Pizza making a post to squash conspiracy theories is absurd.  If what I've read on here is true it's clear lots of people think they have "favourites". 

    To me, that is absurd.

    Confused again, is that directed at me?

    Well yes.  Didn't you take exception to Pizza clarifying that they don't use VEM in an underhanded way, or did I read ALL of that wrong.  :)

    Only completely.

    So as this post is being discussed those believing they are being individually targeted by VEM must answer no to:

    “Do you believe us when we say that we don't do so in an individual, unknown, shady deal but rather in a public, across the board manner that affects every player the exact same way?” 

    And to  “We give you our word that we do not abuse the power of VEM, nor do we give our players the capability to do so.” the reply would be something like “I think you’re lying”.

    To me that’s absurd, why would he/they say it at all?  Never mind go into all the detail, they could just have ignored all the questions being asked. He certainly had no need to suggest people shouldn’t stick around if this was happening, or talk about how this would be an underhand way of operating or mention it would be a shady deal.

    The fact people (who think there is individual targeting of VEM) would therefor anwser "no" to do you believe....... and "I think you're lying" to we give our word.........that's what I think is absurd.  Pizza's post I thought was honest and very helpful.

    Was my general meaning and feelings on this really that unclear?

  • kavvz
    2,195 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 3:58 PM

    +1 Dodgy, It's clear now.  Re-read your 1st post and your follow up...it was just a lot to digest and wasn't entirely clear on who you were quoting when.  :)

  • mystry78
    880 Posts
    Mon, Dec 14 2020 5:46 PM

    kavvz:

    mystry78:
    lonniescott711:

    Yiannis1970:
    Does wgt have the capability to manipulate INDIVIDUAL PLAYER'S equipment? The answer is YES, we have the capability to do nearly anything to ANYONE, any course, any time, anywhere

    Its not that there is no VEM because there is . But we all dont play and get the same level of VEM because we all dont play at the same level . The game doesnt play the same for anyone at any time .

    Exactly Lonnie, thank you!

    That's not what's at issue.

    It's the assertion that they play favourites is the topic, and has been my interest all along.

    That was never my contention Kavvs and I started this thread lol.

    I don’t believe they target individuals. I believe that VEM punishes you more when you are playing at a high level. For example, if you miss a ding after making birdies on the first 5 holes you will be punished much more severely than if you were just even par.

    This is why I feel that the club forgiveness ratings are a fraud.

    Frank

  • Yiannis1970
    3,304 Posts
    Tue, Dec 15 2020 2:38 AM

    kavvz:

    Lemme get this straight, y'all are advocating that WGT uses VEM in an underhanded way in order to give select individuals an advantage over others?

     

    I have already answered that to OPY on page 6.

     

  • Yiannis1970
    3,304 Posts
    Tue, Dec 15 2020 2:44 AM

    mystry78:

    That was never my contention Kavvs and I started this thread lol.

    I don’t believe they target individuals. I believe that VEM punishes you more when you are playing at a high level. For example, if you miss a ding after making birdies on the first 5 holes you will be punished much more severely than if you were just even par.

    This is why I feel that the club forgiveness ratings are a fraud.

    Frank

     

    You can add then wind ''random'' selection as well when you are having a great round Frank. VEM is not only about forgiveness of the clubs when you miss the ding, it's about the entire round. I have opened a thread in the past about No4 of Pinehurst. After 20 or more consecutive rounds there and after birdied the first 3 holes, I HAD NEVER HAD a tail wind to reach the green in 2. Some people call this thing random, i don't.

     

  • mystry78
    880 Posts
    Wed, Dec 16 2020 3:07 PM

    The wind variation from player to player is another topic altogether. Yes it is ridiculous that 2 players playing the same tournament at the same time and on the same hole can have exact opposite wind conditions.

    I do understand that in the real world conditions can change during the course of a round but rarely to the extent seen here.

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