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• mystry78 880 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 4:01 AM

  Will WGT bring V.E.M. and their club forgiveness rating fraud to the new PC version? This will help me determine whether or not I want to bother to make the transition.

  Thanks, Frank

• lonniescott711 4,206 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 6:25 AM

  mystry78:

  Will WGT bring V.E.M. and their club forgiveness rating fraud to the new PC version? This will help me determine whether or not I want to bother to make the transition.

  Thanks, Frank

  Absolutely in fact its already there . The only difference between the new PCEA game version and the flash version , is the games platform . It plays the exact same way but to me the graphics are better .Oh you wont get the avatar movements when putting on the new game version like on flash . But otherwise the game pretty much plays the same .

  Download the app and go play it . Then you wont have to ask what its all about .

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 6:29 AM

  lonniescott711:

  Oh you wont get the avatar movements when putting on the new game version like on flash

  Oy, don't I know it. 11 years using that method and totally clueless now. Hack Central on the greens.  :-(

• Yiannis1970 3,304 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 7:18 AM

  lonniescott711:

  It plays the exact same way but to me the graphics are better .

   

  Explain to me please how the graphics are better since they are using the same original pics with a certain fixed resolution. I would like a technical explanation please. This is an image based game not a CGI. Changing brightness/contrast or  tweak the gamma or sharpening the image, does not make the graphics better.

   

• dedBuNNy 1,919 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 8:28 AM

  It's kinda funny the whole 'new game' thing. It's not a new game in the sense that it's been redeveloped with new code, like C# for instance. Same game, same core game code. VEM is a part of that, as is any other software they used.

  Why the graphics 'look better' is actually simple.

  Flash as framework and delivery system was never designed to handle raster images, in fact going back to the beginning when it was a plugin for Director, where I first started using it, the issue of compression was there from day one. Flash simply sucks in that regard, it is after all a vector graphic development platform for animation.

  With porting the game into Unity, the game at least now has the advantage of being able to utilize the capabilities of processing raster images properly, well a whole lot better anyway, much much better. Mainly the compression algorithms used are designed for jpg work. If I remember correctly, Unity is also capable of processing RAW formats as well which if true, would allow it to push out HD quality static images at the expense of resources.

  The images in the game were shot at pretty high resolutions, high for what it was back 10 years ago. Those images are already in a processed state within the game, but now that the game is using Unity for encapsulation and delivery etc etc, the images have a bit more punched up appearance and feel to them. Not a huge amount, but some. If you crop and view at 100%, the images are still blown out, look almost like they do in Flash, you can't get away from that completely.

  Other graphic elements within the game will look nicer again because of Unity, and how it outputs. The avatars will only really look as good as they were designed. If they're low poly coming in, they're going to look it going out.

  The other reason the 'graphics' can appear to be 'better' is that the game is utilizing video codecs and drivers much better thanks to Unity. It is still using a browser framework, but not as an application. If you have a decent video card and monitor the game can and will look a whole lot nicer. If you use the software that came with your video card to tweak the visual appearance of the game, it can look pretty nice actually. It's not going to affect how the game plays, VEM still going to throw your ball into the weeds now and then but at least as it sails away it'll look nice doing so. 

   

• rdodge 95 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 8:41 AM

  it looks like they just pasted the new game over the old game , it looks and plays like crap. the avatar is way too big , chat box is just stupid , and clicking for equipment is also stupid. and the graphics are not better

• lonniescott711 4,206 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 10:38 AM

  Yiannis1970:

  lonniescott711:

  It plays the exact same way but to me the graphics are better .

   

  Explain to me please how the graphics are better since they are using the same original pics with a certain fixed resolution. I would like a technical explanation please. This is an image based game not a CGI. Changing brightness/contrast or  tweak the gamma or sharpening the image, does not make the graphics better.

   

    I didnt do any of those things you have mentioned . That may be why the game looks different to you . I play on a laptop with a 19" monitor and the only thing that I adjusted was the resolution and screen size . Also my laptop is barely a year old with AMD Radeon Vega3 Graphics .. You may like a technical explanation however Im not a technician .

  No one said that it was a CGI other than you . Now troll along since you have nothing positive to add to the thread . Oh maybe you might want to upgrade your graphics card since your visuals look like crap . Have a nice day . :-)

   

• Yiannis1970 3,304 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 11:30 AM

  lonniescott711:

  Yiannis1970:

  lonniescott711:

  It plays the exact same way but to me the graphics are better .

   

  Explain to me please how the graphics are better since they are using the same original pics with a certain fixed resolution. I would like a technical explanation please. This is an image based game not a CGI. Changing brightness/contrast or  tweak the gamma or sharpening the image, does not make the graphics better.

   

    I didnt do any of those things you have mentioned . That may be why the game looks different to you . I play on a laptop with a 19" monitor and the only thing that I adjusted was the resolution and screen size . Also my laptop is barely a year old with AMD Radeon Vega3 Graphics .. You may like a technical explanation however Im not a technician .

  No one said that it was a CGI other than you . Now troll along since you have nothing positive to add to the thread . Oh maybe you might want to upgrade your graphics card since your visuals look like crap . Have a nice day . :-)

   

   

   

  You don't have the slightest idea of how this game works. You don't have the slightest idea about resolutions, graphics, scaling, calibration, cropping but you still call me troll for something I DIDN'T SAY!!!!

   

  I am using a 570 AMD card and i know what i am talking about. You are the one who doesn't have a clue what i am talking about here.

   

  Congrats!!!

   

• Yiannis1970 3,304 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 11:41 AM

  dedBuNNy:

  It's kinda funny the whole 'new game' thing. It's not a new game in the sense that it's been redeveloped with new code, like C# for instance. Same game, same core game code. VEM is a part of that, as is any other software they used.

  Why the graphics 'look better' is actually simple.

  Flash as framework and delivery system was never designed to handle raster images, in fact going back to the beginning when it was a plugin for Director, where I first started using it, the issue of compression was there from day one. Flash simply sucks in that regard, it is after all a vector graphic development platform for animation.

  With porting the game into Unity, the game at least now has the advantage of being able to utilize the capabilities of processing raster images properly, well a whole lot better anyway, much much better. Mainly the compression algorithms used are designed for jpg work. If I remember correctly, Unity is also capable of processing RAW formats as well which if true, would allow it to push out HD quality static images at the expense of resources.

  The images in the game were shot at pretty high resolutions, high for what it was back 10 years ago. Those images are already in a processed state within the game, but now that the game is using Unity for encapsulation and delivery etc etc, the images have a bit more punched up appearance and feel to them. Not a huge amount, but some. If you crop and view at 100%, the images are still blown out, look almost like they do in Flash, you can't get away from that completely.

  Other graphic elements within the game will look nicer again because of Unity, and how it outputs. The avatars will only really look as good as they were designed. If they're low poly coming in, they're going to look it going out.

  The other reason the 'graphics' can appear to be 'better' is that the game is utilizing video codecs and drivers much better thanks to Unity. It is still using a browser framework, but not as an application. If you have a decent video card and monitor the game can and will look a whole lot nicer. If you use the software that came with your video card to tweak the visual appearance of the game, it can look pretty nice actually. It's not going to affect how the game plays, VEM still going to throw your ball into the weeds now and then but at least as it sails away it'll look nice doing so. 

   

   

  My dear friend, you are absolutely wrong. The new game uses the exact same original images, the ones which we were using on flash. I have made couple of videos explaining what they have done with the new version. If you like to talk technical here, i can provide to you all the evidence you want that when u set up your game at 1080 resolution, you don't have actually a 1080 material but a cropped material from the original pick which has been stretched/scaled in order to fill a 1920 x 1080 display. If you like to continue this conversation, i am at your disposal.

   

  Furthermore, the scaling of the image provided by various browsers was way way better, than anything unity uses right now. I can provide proofs about that too if you like. The only thing they have done with the new version was sharpening (exactly because they don't have high quality pics and sharpening gives the faulty perception of higher resolution + they added a bit of contrast/saturation to the images in order to appear with more detail).

   

• rdodge 95 Posts

  Mon, Dec 7 2020 11:52 AM

  rdodge:

  it looks like they just pasted the new game over the old game , it looks and plays like crap. the avatar is way too big , chat box is just stupid , and clicking for equipment is also stupid. and the graphics are not better

  top golf is an arcade game and wants wgt players to spend our money on them . that's ok  but top golf is too fake looking , the showdown wants money too earn coins and apparel sponsors want money plus equipment costs plus ball costs .  all for crappy simulator , no thanks

  made adjustments and game looks plays well