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High Wind / High Stakes RG's

• ForrestLeigh 264 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 2:44 AM

  kam4122:

  I think there is no advantage in knowing the winds in advance on a RG, what is someone going to do, burn 2k credits to see what wind there is? If it is a static wind set WGT could mitigate this by publishing the wind set for everyone to view in advance?

  thats a lot of credits to hope you get a good windset - good advice is keep them in the bank lol

  But the windset would not need to be published - as it would be the same for everyone, so you wouldn't get to the par 5 with a headwind, knowing someone else had a tailwind, all holes would be equal

  Like they are in matchplay, or Alt etc, so they can do it

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 3:17 AM

  I've spat the dummy - and debated this topic since I got here.  I felt so miserably ripped off after a few days of the premium RG's I vowed never to touch trial pay, or my credit card, ever again for WGT until the issue of fairness was addressed.

  Sadly, I'm now down to 53 credits and there is no indication WGT thinks a complete lack of fairness is a problem worth looking at.

  Maybe I'll need to find someone who'll stick around to send me an email if it does ever get sorted because I'd say my future here can now be measured in hours...

• ForrestLeigh 264 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 3:35 AM

  Ecka65:

  I've spat the dummy - and debated this topic since I got here.  I felt so miserably ripped off after a few days of the premium RG's I vowed never to touch trial pay, or my credit card, ever again for WGT until the issue of fairness was addressed.

  Sadly, I'm now down to 53 credits and there is no indication WGT thinks a complete lack of fairness is a problem worth looking at.

  Maybe I'll need to find someone who'll stick around to send me an email if it does ever get sorted because I'd say my future here can now be measured in hours...

  Sorry to hear that, it can be frustrating when a site we pay money too seems not to listen, but there are players who do think its fair.

  I still think that if they do think its fair then it should be introduced into all forms of the game, so in match play or alt shot each player gets a different wind, I think they would change their mind then lol

  And that's not such a stretch - I can tee off in a RG at the same time as someone else and have 100% different winds

   

• kam4122 1,695 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 3:36 AM

  With reference to Icon's comment about maybe not having high wind RG's is the way to go, I would disagree and no offence but would simply see that as an easy way out.

  I think that would dilute the challenge of the game, I personally like the challenge of playing in the wind, its just I would prefer a fair challenge where everyone gets the same.

  Thanks to everyone for your input, it is a very interesting discussion, and one I feel needs to be had now that high stakes RG's are in play.

   

• stevenharkin 1,921 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 3:42 AM

  If like me, you play nearly every day .. throughout the month you will get good windset's and bad to match.. just stick it out and enjoy the challenge...

  only 1 thing that bothers me about high winds is not being able to reach par 4's in two shots..apart from this i find high winds most enjoyable and challenging ..cant we bump it up to 40 mph winds:)

• kam4122 1,695 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 3:57 AM

  Part of me agrees with you Stevie, stick around long enough and it may even itself out, and yes I like the challenge of high winds.

  In unlimited's there is no issue, I actually have no real issue in 100 credit knocks, but in the high stakes, with limited tees available per day.

  When the pro's play a course they can see the weather before they start, have an accurate forecast, and likely the last 15 pairs out onto the course on any given Sunday will all get pretty much the same conditions. There is a level of predictability.

  I think though this discussion is about testing ourselves with parity, in whatever conditions and having the person who plays best win. I don't think anyone can argue with that, if a certain individual walked off with the spoils every time, so be it, if they played best i have no grumble with that. What i do have an issue with is if someone plays fantastic and loses to someone who played just ok, but the latter had great wind assistance. How is that fair? As has been said above we wouldnt tolerate that in a MPC, or AS game, so why accept it in a high stakes RG?

  Perhaps a way forward is have fixed conditions RG's and random conditions RG's, and let people decide which they prefer?

   

• Kriztjan 1,437 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 4:02 AM

  and i dont think that the wind conditions will be forwarded, lets say the top 30 players here play those on a regular basis, the egos and lust for winning is to big to give your opponents an edge to winning.

   

  atleast i wouldnt do that!

   

  And to be honest, who would change their bag in regards of winds, we have our 14 clubs and adjust to conditions, i dont change my setup regarding of course OR conditions.

• ForrestLeigh 264 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 4:11 AM

  stevenharkin:

  If like me, you play nearly every day .. throughout the month you will get good windset's and bad to match.. just stick it out and enjoy the challenge...

  only 1 thing that bothers me about high winds is not being able to reach par 4's in two shots..apart from this i find high winds most enjoyable and challenging ..cant we bump it up to 40 mph winds:)

  I think you're right, not convinced but probably lol, it could work out you get really bad windsets for a month.

  The trouble is though - credits- $20 to find out if you have a good, bad or indifferent windset, if you enter 5 times and have 3 bad sets you're probably getting $0 return, get two indifferent sets you will probably get $10 in each, so overall you're $80 down

  Totally agree about the Par 4's though, imo on the few par 4's a legend can't reach in 2 with a moderate headwind but every other tier and wind direction can be on the green then those few tees should be moved closer.

  I know its about making it hard for legends but is the definition of hard - unfair?

  Everyone else can make the green from hack to legend with any wind apart from head, and only legends can't make it with headwind

   

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 5:25 AM

  Well, with all due respect to Steve, he can afford to "try his luck" seeing he wins every second thing he enters lol.  That's why some guys don't engage on this thread, because they're essentially gambling with WGT's credits.  They have all the gear, and they have plump accounts so it really is just "virtual money".  Under those conditions I'd cop bad winds 6 times in a row and go again, no problemo.

  Unfortunately, for the great and vast majority of us, we aint so flush with WGT's credits.  Get bad winds and it is ultimately real money saying bye bye.  Naturally, that becomes unsustainable pretty quick and not real smart to keep trying.  Like me dear old Dad used to say:  "The definition of a fool is someone who keeps doing the same thing hoping for a different result."

   

• stevenharkin 1,921 Posts

  Sat, Nov 5 2011 5:50 AM

  we could chat about wind all day long...if ya dont like it just don't enter..all i'l say is i personally enjoy the challenge..gets me thinking more about me game and it takes full concentration..

  wereas low winds ..you know your next shot before your previous shot is even finished..find that kinda boring to be honest..we all different and have our own pref's:)