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• WGTNico 650 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 9:10 AM

  Hey everyone, over the weekend I some of you were questioning (mostly in the discord but this post is still relevant to post in here as well) the why on Goals & Achievements and I wanted to make a statement and better explain that exact answer. Now this is not me trying to change your opinion on how you feel about it, but I do want to give a bit more insight into why G&A was an amazing addition into the game (even with some of the annoying bugs that came with release).

   

  One of it not THE biggest complaint we see about WGT is that the game is too expensive. That's a perfectly understandable complaint, so we wanted to create a way to award people by playing the game. Goals & Achievements fulfills this by giving you credits by just playing the game. Giving another alternative to spending money, winning credits in game, watching ads, and completing surveys.

   

  Many players will open WGT, complete a quick round to get their consecutive days played (CDP), close the game, and then proceed to do that on a daily basis. Increasing CDP was really the only thing to incentivize many players into playing the game. Now with daily and weekly goals you're more likely to get at least another round or two in. Which is an absolute win for us and also a win for players because you're being awarded just for playing with XP. apparel, coins, and credits. 

   

  A decent number of players only play one game mode, and while that's totally fine there's an even larger number of players that only think coin games for example exists and don't even know about tournaments, CC tournaments, brackets, RGs, etc. even exist. With Goals & Achievements they're more likely to venture into other areas the game offers. It also acts as a pseudo tutorial into the game for newer players which is also something we've noticed can be confusing when starting out.

   

  Now if you think of everything I've said, Goals & Achievements ticks the boxes for all of these from our standpoint as a company to incentivize players into playing the game more. It's also a win for players since you're also being rewarded for the game you're already playing.

• PureGro1 1,656 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 10:03 AM

  WGTNico:

  Now if you think of everything I've said, Goals & Achievements ticks the boxes for all of these from our standpoint

  Thanks for the background Nico...
  
  I have enjoyed it, feel like its nice addition to the game. IMO- Once the backfill on achievements happens for everyone, More will be on board with this.

  I play with a few people nightly- the ones who had their achievements waiting for them were overwhelmingly in favor of it and most of those that didn't had a less than glowing review of G&A.

• bossbird 2,232 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 10:16 AM

  I appreciate you coming on here to explain the background Nico. What I feel is most frustrating is lack of explanation on how for example we gain more stars to progress , I have achieved my 70 stars but there is no explanation as to how I can progress further or what is meant in some of the other achievements which seem a bit unclear. 
  Does this replace the normal sponsorship boxes ? I just think you have made it too confusing when we have nothing to refer to . My opinion only , but I don’t use discord and this is my only way to voice them. Thanks Lesley  

• WGTNico 650 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 10:27 AM

  To go past the 60-70 stars you can get in a week, then you'll need to upgrade to a plus or premier membership. We want to bring more benefits and make it worthwhile to those that pay for it, and this was our first work into actually beginning to do so. Goals & Achievements replaced weekly wins as well as the old flash awards

  bossbird:

  I appreciate you coming on here to explain the background Nico. What I feel is most frustrating is lack of explanation on how for example we gain more stars to progress , I have achieved my 70 stars but there is no explanation as to how I can progress further or what is meant in some of the other achievements which seem a bit unclear. 
  Does this replace the normal sponsorship boxes ? I just think you have made it too confusing when we have nothing to refer to . My opinion only , but I don’t use discord and this is my only way to voice them. Thanks Lesley  

   

• SimonTheBeetle 3,645 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 10:52 AM

  Hi Nico,

  Will you WGT eventually remove the old flash awards for good?

  I've been ducking balls into water with passion in my Poseidon's Kiss CC tourneys for Diamond Water Boy Award. Should I stop it?

  ↓↓↓ EDIT : Ouch... I see. Stupid me have been ditching balls for nothing for the last few days then. Thanks for the reply, Nico. ↓↓↓

• WGTNico 650 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 11:10 AM

  Waterboy xp awards and all old flash awards have already been removed from the game. The awards you've earned in the past will never leave your profile but ya they definitely are gone as of the recent update.

  SimonTheBeetle:

  Hi Nico,

  Will you WGT eventually remove the old flash awards for good?

  I've been ducking balls into water with passion in my Poseidon's Kiss CC tourneys for Diamond Water Boy Award. Should I stop it?

   

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 2:31 PM

  WGTNico:

  Hey everyone, over the weekend I some of you were questioning (mostly in the discord but this post is still relevant to post in here as well) the why on Goals & Achievements and I wanted to make a statement and better explain that exact answer. Now this is not me trying to change your opinion on how you feel about it, but I do want to give a bit more insight into why G&A was an amazing addition into the game (even with some of the annoying bugs that came with release).

  I saw the way you spoke to Kay on Discord, unfairly in my view, but I will risk being honest all the same.  On Kay she has played well over 13,000 alt shot games and a load of MP (I can't be bothered counting).  can you not see how spending more time on fixing the invites, instead of using it on stuff like this may be more important to her.  I don't think she was aggressive just frustrated with a bug that's been around for 18 months? (I'm not actually sure but at least that long I'd think).  And of course she's asked about it before, about here it sounded like she was getting fed up and I've seen two more threads after that. Perhaps they are increasingly frustrated but is that surprising?.

  WGTNico:

  One of it not THE biggest complaint we see about WGT is that the game is too expensive. That's a perfectly understandable complaint, so we wanted to create a way to award people by playing the game. Goals & Achievements fulfills this by giving you credits by just playing the game.

  WGTNico:

  To go past the 60-70 stars you can get in a week, then you'll need to upgrade to a plus or premier membership. We want to bring more benefits and make it worthwhile to those that pay for it, and this was our first work into actually beginning to do so. Goals & Achievements replaced weekly wins as well as the old flash awards

  To get even to the 60pts may involve stuff like "use an effect" or "get an eagle in a tournament", these cost credits (ball hits) and maybe more than the 5C you win.  To get more then as you say you'll need the plus (9,900c) or premier (18,000c).  How is that making the game less expensive?!

  I've seen you repeatedly talk about "free stuff", my initial question would be how can stuff you need to complete tasks for be free?  The whole thing with apparel is you need to have it if you don't want to be at a disadvantage in certain games/tournaments.

  Yes you'll pick up odd bits of apparel and many xp's just doing what you usually do but you wont keep up with those above 70 stars and I can't see where the credits will come from.

  So a new pay to win system replaced one only based on actual wins and this is supposed to be a way of making the game less expensive :-/  This is for those that can afford premier and the credit rich, as if the latter needed more of an advantage. 

  A side note; I suppose with the many xp's around now we can look forward to more L102 TP's and TM's and lots of restarts and multi's.

• pmm711 5,708 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 3:51 PM

  ^^^^^^^ exactly

• WGTChampion 1,891 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 4:05 PM

  I think the difference here is saying "hey I would like this feature" vs blasting the whole game because the feature isn't available. 

  It can be frustrating when that kind of thing happens because we work really hard and several people will tell us THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE about a hundred different things. 

  In my opinion, Goals actually does address some of the biggest issues we see in the game. I hope you all like it. 

  _CHAMPION 

• WGTNico 650 Posts

  Mon, Aug 1 2022 4:12 PM

  I stand by the words I said that evening, and matched the tone in which they gave me (though I admit I should have handled myself better). I also acknowledge how irritating our current invite/availability system is. It's why we're working on the friends UI.

  We didn't make goals & achievements to get more plus/premier memberships, but since we already have people paying for it, it's not unfair to us to want to improve the benefits one can get. You can still get plenty of benefits from goals & achievements by not being a plus/premier member. In fact the good credit payouts come from achievements anyway which play no effect into plus/premier.

  There's also not a large amount of XP gained compared to the previous flash system, and significantly less XP gained when taking into consideration exploits like the waterboy award which many players used.

  Again I'm not trying to change anyone's stance on G&A just giving a better insight as to the why we made it, and why it's a positive change for players. It's clear you'll probably never like the system and that's totally fine, but it's not a system that will go away, and is a system that deserved the priority it got.

  side note: there are legitimate concerns about G&A to have issues with

   

  • the bugs it currently has
  • having issues with backfilling achievements
  • giving the popup mid shot ruining the "suspense" of the shot

   

  G&A is a completely free system one that gives you rewards by just playing the game you're already playing. It also isn't arcade like at all in my opinion and is even LESS in the way than the old award system.

  DodgyPutter:

  WGTNico:

  Hey everyone, over the weekend I some of you were questioning (mostly in the discord but this post is still relevant to post in here as well) the why on Goals & Achievements and I wanted to make a statement and better explain that exact answer. Now this is not me trying to change your opinion on how you feel about it, but I do want to give a bit more insight into why G&A was an amazing addition into the game (even with some of the annoying bugs that came with release).

  I saw the way you spoke to Kay on Discord, unfairly in my view, but I will risk being honest all the same.  On Kay she has played well over 13,000 alt shot games and a load of MP (I can't be bothered counting).  can you not see how spending more time on fixing the invites, instead of using it on stuff like this may be more important to her.  I don't think she was aggressive just frustrated with a bug that's been around for 18 months? (I'm not actually sure but at least that long I'd think).  And of course she's asked about it before, about here it sounded like she was getting fed up and I've seen two more threads after that. Perhaps they are increasingly frustrated but is that surprising?.

  WGTNico:

  One of it not THE biggest complaint we see about WGT is that the game is too expensive. That's a perfectly understandable complaint, so we wanted to create a way to award people by playing the game. Goals & Achievements fulfills this by giving you credits by just playing the game.

  WGTNico:

  To go past the 60-70 stars you can get in a week, then you'll need to upgrade to a plus or premier membership. We want to bring more benefits and make it worthwhile to those that pay for it, and this was our first work into actually beginning to do so. Goals & Achievements replaced weekly wins as well as the old flash awards

  To get even to the 60pts may involve stuff like "use an effect" or "get an eagle in a tournament", these cost credits (ball hits) and maybe more than the 5C you win.  To get more then as you say you'll need the plus (9,900c) or premier (18,000c).  How is that making the game less expensive?!

  I've seen you repeatedly talk about "free stuff", my initial question would be how can stuff you need to complete tasks for be free?  The whole thing with apparel is you need to have it if you don't want to be at a disadvantage in certain games/tournaments.

  Yes you'll pick up odd bits of apparel and many xp's just doing what you usually do but you wont keep up with those above 70 stars and I can't see where the credits will come from.

  So a new pay to win system replaced one only based on actual wins and this is supposed to be a way of making the game less expensive :-/  This is for those that can afford premier and the credit rich, as if the latter needed more of an advantage. 

  A side note; I suppose with the many xp's around now we can look forward to more L102 TP's and TM's and lots of restarts and multi's.