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Yardage table for irons & cally's

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 4:55 AM

  Thanks for not answering my question. I wasn't looking for a primer on how to play, just a little more understanding of how you arrived at your numbers. You're in a different league. Carry on.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 5:12 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Thanks for not answering my question. I wasn't looking for a primer on how to play, just a little more understanding of how you arrived at your numbers. You're in a different league. Carry on.

  By playing so much and remembering how far the balls go on different approaches without spin it should always be the same extra yardages you get from (z) cally's(taking tee shots and deviation into contex) the yardages you get are constant on most holes, but you need to figure out yourself what holes will give you extra run or play short ,, but using spin though i will always deduct 3 yards from what ever burner iron i'm using, if i'm giving full back spin, my 160 iron is ALWAYS 157 yards,  BUT whether the shot is going to be 156 yards or 158 and not 157 is the greens shape, (wind is a different matter again to factor in)

  i can manipulate yardages by giving a touch over full spin, or half spin.

  Example: i have 232 yards to pin, 36ft down elevation wise, i subtract 9 yards from the 232 gives me 224, i know full spin on my 220 yard iron will be 217, no spin is 235 so i will go to full spin, then lift the dot up a few fractions until i can see a bit of white under  the dot, this should then give me 220 to 224 yards..and bingo you can land close most of the time..

  sorry for preaching i know you can play the game anyway..It was meant to be for people who struggle with how much yardages extra the callaways give you,  i know on some holes (this is what you were probably getting at) you might get a slope on the green that stops your balls from getting the extra yardages they are supposed to get, i.e your 175 iron might stop dead rather than roll to 185 yards, its up to you to figure these places out lol

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 7:25 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  If you don't like the table or what ever you only have to ignore it, and move on to another post to find your daily post writing fix..:)

  Hi again, Chris, Mr. Negative here. (Nice edit-almost escaped me.) Tables like yours bother the hell out of me unless they're in some way qualified. You don't qualify yours so the weight of all of your wins must be enough to convince you you're right. I feel bad for the people that believe you because not only have you not qualified your numbers, they're just plain wrong. There, I've said it.

  I'm also beginning to see the major cause of your own personal, well publicized complaints-you believe what you have. Well, do yourself a favor and hike out to the back 9 of BPB and do some serious verifying of your numbers, like I just did. 

  This is how you qualify results......The callaway (z) non-Legend ball  (there is no standard Callaway-they're all different.) BPB back 9, holes 10, 11 and 12, low wind (in the testing this was 2-3 in every case.)

  Every shot was hit up the fairway and back down the fairway until a ding was achieved in both directions.The averages of the missed hits support dinged results. This offsets the wind influence and the wind definitely makes a difference. In all, an entire Callaway (z) ball was used up to get these results. I only dealt with the back spin numbers.

  120  -6

  135  -4

  150  -4

  165  -9!!

  180  -8!!

  195  -8!!

  210  -13 into a 3 wind, -5 with same wind (verified 4 times)

  225  -4

  Go see for yourself.

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 12:54 PM

  i used to add 1.5% on the distance when i used the SD balls and now add 2% for the Callaway z . seems to average out pretty good and then i adjust for all the factors. I can't get it right all the time but the numbers are about ok (for my game anyways)

  i just stick with them and they're near enough, there's enough crap to deal with on a shot without second guessing the yardage!

  i have my own table but i won't post it up as i don't want Jim to yell at me ;-) lol

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 1:05 PM

  PaulH0070:

  i have my own table but i won't post it up as i don't want Jim to yell at me ;-)

  LMAO. By all means post it, just explain how you got there. I'm sure there's 100 different charts out there and a ton of better players than me with their versions. I wouldn't know about charts myself, I don't have one but I like knowing how others get theirs. This is what works for me...........

  PaulH0070:

  i just stick with them and they're near enough, there's enough crap to deal with on a shot without second guessing the yardage!

  .....well said.  ;-)

• Tonto0206 460 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 2:11 PM

  The single hardest thing to do in real golf is to play 2 shots exactly the same , one after the other. Can be a 15 foot putt, you hole, but try repeating the feat, doable, yes, but very hard to do.

  The same must surely apply here, you factor in everything, wind , elevation , power , direction and the result is almost certainly going to vary by a couple of yards or so.

  How and where the ball lands on the green is something we cannot control, as you will almost never ever land on the same exact piece of turf.

  Have I just described 'deviation'  ? 

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 5:44 PM

  Tonto0206:

  Have I just described 'deviation'  ? 

  Let's put it this way-you definitely have the right  idea of how to approach the game. Call it what you will, deviation seems to be the most popular description, it's what makes this game as real as possible.

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Tue, Nov 15 2011 9:58 PM

  YankeeJim:

  LMAO. By all means post it, just explain how you got there.

  really just trial and error. when i first started using balls with extra dstance i had no idea how much further it would go so just made notes over a dozen or so rounds to try to get a true idea how the ball would react on different greens, fairways etc. took all that then averaged it up and found the ball travelled approx 1.5% further than the club was rated (for SD's)

  with the Calls i took a guess that the extra spin would stop the balls rolling out so far so eliminate some of the extra distance (at least playing onto the greens) so took a guess at 2% and it works out pretty good.

  i was a bit conservative with the extra distance of the Calls as i have a habit of not getting up to the pin (same in real life) hoping the pure shot will happen every time so that's resulted in getting better distance control.

  it's probably nowhere near as thorough as the better players on here, but all in all it works for me.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 3:31 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Every shot was hit up the fairway and back down the fairway until a ding was achieved in both directions

  Hitting up and down fairway is obviously going to give you different results, you need the slick tournament greens for the extra yardages to kick in & your using R'11's which i find so inconsistant, its hard to even get results, every shot seems to be different. thats why i don't even use them any more, full back spin on 135 iron might give me 131 yards one hole, next 126 (thats why i dont use them) burners seem 85% constant and are always round about the yardages ahown for full back spin and no spin.  Remember, i've come to a point i know how each hole is going to play, i.e on a certain hole i might have 164 yard approach with 10 mph tailwind, i know my 160 yard iron is 157 yards"ROUGHLY!" with full back spin, i add 7 yards onto this for wind, gives me 164 yards, but this particular hole i might need to lay off the full power by a cm to factor in green.

  Every hole is OBVIOUSLY different, but i use the yardage table as a rough guide in my head, but i know exactly when to use a touch less spin, half spin or no spin to achieve the yardages needed, and you need to figure out what greens give you more or less roll, and some hole play longer and shorter.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 3:37 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  Hitting up and down fairway is obviously going to give you different results, you need the slick tournament greens for the extra yardages to kick in

  Are you saying your stated yardages include roll-out on the greens?  Not just the club's carry?