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Yardage table for irons & cally's

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 3:50 AM

  andyson:

  chrisironsbones:

  Hitting up and down fairway is obviously going to give you different results, you need the slick tournament greens for the extra yardages to kick in

  Are you saying your stated yardages include roll-out on the greens?  Not just the club's carry?

  Yes Andy, the yardages i got are roughly what i get on greens , some are a touch longer some a touch shorter, its just a base to work from, its up to you then to know what greens are going to be say a bit longer or shorter, but when i give full back spin i will always get similar results "most" of the time with burners, i.e if i have 177 approach 10 mph headwind, i will use 190 iron with full back spin and that usually will be 187 yards -10 = 177 yards. or if its a flat green i might use my 175 iron with no spin, this wil also give me similar result 185(extra yardage roughly from ball) - 7 = 178

  I'm currently playing a round at R.St.G with R11's for a change to see how accurate my table is for these clubs (but i know from experience these differ a lot each hole)

  on first hole i had 170 yards to pin, i had 18 mph wind at say 5 o'clock, i added 18 yards to my shot due to wind, (a bit too much really lol) this gave me 188 yards, i gave full back spin to my 195 iron (calculated in my head 191"roughly" yards due to spin), lay off the power a few fractions, and land pretty close (well 3 yards, a bit further than expected, should have taken a yard off for wind), thats how i calculate my shots always with my rough table of yardages, it seems to work for me. (if i land over 3 yards any where at yardages over 160, i see it as a poor shot,)

  My second hole approach i have 126 yards to pin 17 mph right left wind, i know my 120 iron is 128 yards with cally's, but with wind it might roll more, so i give a fraction of spin, full power, i land within a yard. the yardages ARE spot on.

  Last bit of table proof, on hole #4 i am 175 to pin, 16 mph tailwind, i use 165 iron with a touch above full back spin,(full spin i think is 161 yards so a touch over should be 164, add 10 yards for wind) take shot and land 3 yards past, (should have given full spin. lol)but i forgot there's more roll on this green anyway.

  On the par #3 its 180 yards i had 18 mph left right wind, i thought i'd try the 165 iron to see if it would reach, i got 176 yards out of it, roughly what i knew i would get from the cally's hitting off the tee because i roughly get 173 from fairway)

  All i'm saying is my rough table does work as a base to calculate shots (well it does for me) you need to find out on what holes to differ slightly your approaches to get best results. And i'll print my score card to you can see i did birdie the mentioned holes (and when round is finished i'll post the replays also) so you can see for yourselves i'm not full of 5hit.

  I havn't used my R11's for a week at least, i play my first ready go with them, sticking to my yardage table, i'm -9 at the 14th analyse that then Mr. YJ.LOL:)????(sorry jim, wasn't being sarcastic, only meant in humour.lol)

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 4:24 AM

  A simple yes or no answer to my question would have sufficed! LOL

  One of the differences between YJ's chart and your's is his is done on the fairway so I believe his numbers are only carry.  Your's are total distance including any roll out on tournament greens.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 4:38 AM

  andyson:

  A simple yes or no answer to my question would have sufficed! LOL

  One of the differences between YJ's chart and your's is his is done on the fairway so I believe his numbers are only carry.  Your's are total distance including any roll out on tournament greens.

  yes i havn't a clue what it would be on fairways, its all done as approach to greens. but the only thing that deviates from the distances i've shown is green slope  (if you've factored the wind correctly)

  Its probably 2 different styles, where as some one might use no spin but choke down the power to get certain yardage, i tend to give full power where i can, but manipulate the yardages with spin on the ball, its only very occasionally when i DON'T touch spin and i'll use my table for spin to work out from there to give a touch more spin, half spin, or a bit less power too.

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 4:46 AM

  I don't know.....you try and do something helpful for people and you get the Spanish Inquisition over it. I appreciated the post Chris as I am too lazy to work these things out for myself. I have saved a copy to my desktop, many thanks.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 4:51 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  a touch above full back spin

  chrisironsbones:

  a fraction of spin

  chrisironsbones:

  it seems to work

  chrisironsbones:

  pretty close

  chrisironsbones:

  a few fractions

  chrisironsbones:

  191"roughly" yards

  chrisironsbones:

  say 5 o'clock

  chrisironsbones:

  similar result

  chrisironsbones:

  similar results "most" of the time

  chrisironsbones:

  a bit longer or shorter

  chrisironsbones:

  a touch

  I am bookmarking this post so the next time you come crying about how WGT stole your game or ball or deviated the snot out of you, I will be able to tell you you are full of baloney. The wording quoted above is how politicians talk. Make your friggin mind up. One day the R11s are crap, the next day you're bragging on a -9 through 14 with them.

  I think the only deviation working here is not in the game. That's my analysis, without any intent of assault, insult or judgement.  TY

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 4:54 AM

  come off it, i was prooving a point, by sticking to my table, i pull out the R11's which were getting dusty, and pull off a decent round, (& score is getting better too (-10 now at #15), so hold your horses)

  If you stuck to the course instead of living in forums, maybe you too could see how it works...LOL)LOLOL

  As you said earlier, i'm in a different league, so yes if we go by our leagues  here in U.K its called the Premier league, and that's where i'll be, for you it will take 4 promotions to get there!!

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 4:55 AM

  tiffer67:

  I don't know.....you try and do something helpful for people and you get the Spanish Inquisition over it. I appreciated the post Chris as I am too lazy to work these things out for myself. I have saved a copy to my desktop, many thanks.

  People who understand and don't criticise you for even breathing in this place.Nice 1. This is why i put it here.

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 5:02 AM

  Nice. Turn this into a sparring match and start an attack defense, mild as it was. You just don't get it. You contradict yourself every time you post one of your false scenarios and expect people to believe you? I just debunked a small part of that chart and you still don't believe it. Do you have any idea how easy it is to actually see, in one of your replays, the exact location of the spin dot and the exact timing of the swing through detailed shot analysis? Probably not but I can assure you it is and it does quantify the replays and they say you're full of baloney.

  I am impressed a top golfer in Tiffer believes you and lives by your charts.

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 5:10 AM

  Jim I don't think there is anyone out there who takes these yardages as set in stone, this isn't an exact science we're analysing.

  They are a decent reference point to start with, you then call upon your own experience, course and hole to determine your own solution.

  Of course I wouldn't need to refer to Chris's if I had yours to look at instead.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Nov 16 2011 5:12 AM

  I'm not going to even bother arguing any more, because i know my yardage table works, its what gets me my low scores.  hitting a ball up and down the fairway means nothing and it made me smile that you actually went out and did it to try and prove me wrong (especially when its all been worked out on greens)