Thank you for all your insight. I'm quite sure I'll be better because of it. I do have questions you may be able to assist me with. When I use the guide for chip,pitch,etc. several times my ball either goes no where or only 1 ,2 or a few yards. This is frustrating. I wish WGT had an area just for practice for these types of shots with various lies from the most frustrating to the most rewarding. Just a thought. Again thank you for all your help.