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Wed, Jan 25 2012 12:05 PM (30 replies)
  • LOLserver
    3,522 Posts
    Mon, Jan 23 2012 3:33 AM

    YankeeJim:

    LOLserver:
    I move the aim to some place left of the hole

    "Some place" doesn't sound very accurate. A tricky flop from the fringe? It is very easy to be seduced by the simplicity of the flop and the resulting up and down to save par. However, mastering the pitch and chip gives you a very real chance of holing out. Don't forsake the flop but don't live or die by it.  ;-)

     

    If you practice the flop hitting the ding several times you can easilly find out how much left you need to aim, if you master it, the chances to save pars or even bird the hole are very good.

    As Foo said previously, flops garanty an easy putt & still the chance to hole it. I am starting to chip with full back spin, very interesting shot that migth be my fav soon,

    Just try the several tools, balls & tips, we are all different anyways.

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Jan 24 2012 9:06 AM

    LOLserver:
    If you practice the flop hitting the ding several times you can easilly find out how much left you need to aim

    And if you  hit the first line left of center the ball is right on the aimer.  Mastered.  ;-)

  • LeonDelBosque
    1,551 Posts
    Tue, Jan 24 2012 9:56 AM

    FWIW, I use both ... usually the line left of center, but aim left and ding if I want a little extra distance and height, especially out of bunkers.

  • genorb
    1,255 Posts
    Tue, Jan 24 2012 10:56 AM

    FarFoo:

    Pitching is when you can't chip because you are too far away from the edge of the green to chip

    If you are close to the edge of the green at, let's says, 12 yds from the hole and if the green is rather "wavy" near the border but nearly flat close to the hole (the last 3-4 yds in this example), then pitching is a good option too compared to chip. You avoid then all the nasty break to reach the flat part directly and have more chance to hole it. But pitch, as flop, are sensitive to wind while for chipping the trajectory is contraint by the green's breaks.

    Regards

     

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Tue, Jan 24 2012 9:36 PM

    YankeeJim:

    LOLserver:
    If you practice the flop hitting the ding several times you can easilly find out how much left you need to aim

    And if you  hit the first line left of center the ball is right on the aimer.  Mastered.  ;-)

    This might be a good example how different players play the fop shot Jim, I click the line b4 ding as you do and Eric, who is a pretty good player of the game, moves aimer left and dings. 

    I don't think there is one good way of doing this, If it works for you then keep on doing it.

    Cheers

       Roger

  • gr8flbob
    592 Posts
    Wed, Jan 25 2012 12:21 AM

    Boomerboy44:

    What Jim said because you rarely hole a flop but if you practice the chip and pitch you'll be pleased with how many shots you start making. But it does take some work to get good at it.

    That said, sometimes the flop is the ONLY sensible thing you can do, like this on at SA #2:

    http://www.wgt.com/gameclient.aspx?view=showReplay&JSON=%257B%2520%2522GUID%2522%2520%253A%2520%252246f9822b-a330-45b0-b8e6-9fb1016c8de0%2522%252C%2520%2522Brand%2522%2520%253A%2520%2522undefined%2522%2520%257D

    As far as aim (and yes, Yankee Jim and others, we can agree to disagree here) for flops, my rule of thumb is to aim using reverse view and offset the aiming point right of desired impact point: 3 grid lines for 20 yd flop, 4 grid lines for 30 yd flop, and 5 grid lines for 40 yd flop. When you switch back to normal view, it will appear that you are aiming left of the target by the amounts above.

    I offset the aiming point for 2 reasons:

    a. I make every effort to hit the ding on all my shots, and find it personally difficult to accurately hit the line before the ding;

    b. if you hit the flop on the ding line with 100% power and full backspin off a clean lie you will get the rated distance, with the least amount of roll. 

    Of course once you add in wind, slope in the landing area, and elevation differences, you'll need to adjust the aiming spot appropriately.

  • GoodyChamp
    595 Posts
    Wed, Jan 25 2012 2:22 AM

    Think only SGTBilko mentioned the punch shot in this topic sofar. In my opinion a very, very valuable shot and almost a guaranteed parsaver.

    Since I find it hard 2 control distance when pitching, most of the time I use the punch between 16-42 yds from the pin (of course distance may vary a bit cause of elevation, wind, surface and landing area). With the Z Satin TP 64° Wedge (L39+) it's deadly accurate, even from the thickstuff.

    Cheers, GC

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Wed, Jan 25 2012 4:44 AM

    gr8flbob:
    and find it personally difficult to accurately hit the line before the ding;

     

    True for me,too.This is harder to do than dinging it. On the punch shot, I totally agree with GC. That Satin 64W punch is incredibly valuable and the same shot with the CG64W is just as good. Punching wedges is underrated, IMO. Great gap fillers.

  • Catman3601
    4 Posts
    Wed, Jan 25 2012 7:32 AM

    I'm about 80% flop, 20% chip, learn to flop and you can get it closer to the hole a lot more times and drain some also. I find it harder to chip it close. Of course good wedges help.

  • AGArgent
    343 Posts
    Wed, Jan 25 2012 11:52 AM

    All I know is that as I've gotten better and better flopping with my Z Satin 64 wedge, I've seen my scrambling percentage slowly improve to the acceptable 60% neighborhood.

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