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Opposite breaks

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Tue, Feb 7 2012 5:02 AM

  Why is it if you have a putt with a break going one way near your avatar, then for a few squares of the putting grid near the hole, the break goes in opposite direction, why is it only the break near your avatar effects the ball and the break nearer the hole does nothing???

  And while im on subject of putting, say you had 12 foot putt for birdie, you miss ding by the slightest of margins, ball sails wide.  BUT, say you were in same spot, same break, everything the same as your birdie putt but you are going for a par, not birdie, you miss ding slightly exactly the same as you did for the missed birdie putt, but the par putt always seems to go straight for the hole, regardless of missing ding on break side too!

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Feb 7 2012 5:15 AM

  You can have a perfect line to the hole and if it starts off in the wrong direction nothing's going to help it. That first 2-3 feet of a putt is crucial to get the putt rolling on the right line. As for your second point, par putts have always been easier to sink than birdie putts. Obviously the tolerances decrease as the score goes up, almost as if the cup gets bigger or the forgiveness increases.

• cycle1979 1,555 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 11:16 AM

  Dumb and dumber.. sorry guys but I had to say it but I figure this thread is a joke??

  Ironbones... you misread your putt... simple as that

  Jim... the 2nd putt is a lag from missing the first therefore the line it puts you on theoretically should be easier.  Nothing to do with your score.. 

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 11:18 AM

  cycle1979:

  Jim... the 2nd putt is a lag from missing the first therefore the line it puts you on theoretically should be easier.  Nothing to do with your score.. 

  Do you even know what a lag is? It sure as hell isn't a second putt. You're not even on the same page in this discussion if you don't understand what Chris is talking about. Score wasn't mentioned at all.

  He's talking about the influence of the early break on a putt that isn't offset by the opposite break at the end. My answer pointed out the importance of starting off on the right line. The deviation on a par putt is not as severe as with a birdie putt if you miss the ding. Get with the program, dumb and dumber.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 12:55 PM

  YankeeJim:

  cycle1979:

  Jim... the 2nd putt is a lag from missing the first therefore the line it puts you on theoretically should be easier.  Nothing to do with your score.. 

  Do you even know what a lag is? It sure as hell isn't a second putt. You're not even on the same page in this discussion if you don't understand what Chris is talking about. Score wasn't mentioned at all.

  He's talking about the influence of the early break on a putt that isn't offset by the opposite break at the end. My answer pointed out the importance of starting off on the right line. The deviation on a par putt is not as severe as with a birdie putt if you miss the ding. Get with the program, dumb and dumber.

   

  Yes!

• cycle1979 1,555 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 1:30 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Obviously the tolerances decrease as the score goes up, almost as if the cup gets bigger or the forgiveness increases.

  Score wasn't mentioned???

  Again... if his putt breaks early and not late he misread the green.  Try reading it using your wedge as Bullox does on his youtube rounds.  It gives you a better read on the green.

  And... the deviation on the par putt is not as severe because the putt typically is a shorter putt.... the number putt it is or your score has no bearing on your 1st putt, 2nd putt, 3rd putt, etc, etc etc. 

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 3:37 PM

  I disagree. You can miss a 3 foot putt for a birdie because you miss the ding by a pixel and then make the 3 foot return with the exact same miss. Length has nothing to do with it. I stand corrected on the score point. What I should have said was as the number of putts (attempts) increases, the deviation decreases.

  You are totally missing the point of the putt missing because it started off on the wrong line.  You can have a perfect read, have the perfect roll with the perfect arc and miss it because the early break skews that line-it points the arc in a different direction that is determined by the very first foot or 3.

  I do not have problems with this and Bollox' video confirms I'm doing it right. This was for Chris' benefit.

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 4:12 PM

  YankeeJim:

  The deviation on a par putt is not as severe as with a birdie putt if you miss the ding. Get with the program, dumb and dumber.

  This is complete bs.  Deviations can strike at any time there is absolutely no correlation to your score that hole, your score that round, your score your last 5000 rounds, whether you put a sock on right foot or left first that morning, they happen to everyone.

  Unreal the theories people come up with.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 4:33 PM

  Take the word "score" out of it. It has nothing to do with that as was explained when I was corrected.. The explanation was for being able to make the par putt with the same miss that the birdie putt missed with. Not a theory, just plain fact.

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 4:35 PM

  Would love to see some evidence to support this, should be quite simple for you to provide since it is factual, lol.