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Opposite breaks

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 4:36 PM

  BolloxInBruges:

  Would love to see some evidence to support this, should be quite simple for you to provide since it is factual, lol.

   

   

  Don't hold your breath, you know damned well what I'm talking about.

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 4:45 PM

  I have absolutely no clue what you or CIB are talking about actually, whether a putt is for a 3 or a 300 it is just as likely to deviate either time.  And besides if you are using a ghost you don't even have deviations, unless you call missing a 100 ft putt 1" wide 'deviating'.

• Infinito3010 3,689 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 4:54 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  Do you even know what a lag is? It sure as hell isn't a second putt. You're not even on the same page in this discussion if you don't understand what Chris is talking about. Score wasn't mentioned at all.

  He's talking about the influence of the early break on a putt that isn't offset by the opposite break at the end. My answer pointed out the importance of starting off on the right line. The deviation on a par putt is not as severe as with a birdie putt if you miss the ding. Get with the program, dumb and dumber.

  One really needs to see the 3 dimensional mound, crown or the side of the slope to get a feeling what the impact of the break will have on a putt.  Thus, there is alot more to reading those putts than looking at the dots going across the screen.  There is an experience factor (feel) that one gets over time.

• Willsstrs 632 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 5:04 PM

  BolloxInBruges:

  I have absolutely no clue what you or CIB are talking about actually, whether a putt is for a 3 or a 300 it is just as likely to deviate either time.  And besides if you are using a ghost you don't even have deviations, unless you call missing a 100 ft putt 1" wide 'deviating'.

  LOL Bollox YES!!! this whole thread is a JOKE!!!!!!

  Breaks are the same no matter what! If all of the conditions are the same...

  The only thing that I can think of is that you guys don't read the wind! The wind does affect the putts. A 20 mph crosswind on a 10 ft putt will move the putt over about a half cup. 20 mph into the wind on 10 ft putt will make the putt go 6 inches shorter. I didn't know this until one of my friends youngGuns97 pointed it out while we were playing in 30 mph winds and he was right.

  There ARE some specific situations where the breaks are not what it says. The main difference is that unlike your complaints (YJ and CIB) I know it will do the same thing ever time! 

  Example: Cabo Del Sol Hole #11

  Visualize approaching from the right fairway with your little 80 yd punch shot and you hit it to 2 ft a little short right of the hole location. 

  Your next putt is the worst little bugger in the game! The little beads on the green show you a major/extreme break from right to left, and the slope on the screen appears to agree. Also, if you look at the putt from both angles, both angles appear to agree on what the break is. So, you hit the little devil right edge FIRM. You ding it, and the bugger goes right and misses to the right! I learned from making this mistake 4 times over and if you play center or right center firm, it goes in.

  I particularly hate that putt because it just added insult to injury in this one round in late November 2011 where I shot 67...with 20 LIP OUTS! On the 11th hole, I hit a perfect drive, and then I hit a perfect approach, which promptly landed in the hole and bounced out 30 yds away. Then I hit my pitch shot down the hill and lipped it out! Then I was left with that putt I described earlier and I got hit by the false break...3 robberies in 1 hole adding up to a bogey where it could've easily been an eagle. buuuttt...I guess I'm getting a little off topic...

  The point is, YJ's and CIB's complaints are BOGUS but there are such things as false breaks like 11 cabo (see above)...

• navigater 1,319 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 5:13 PM

  LMFAO

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 5:35 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  And while im on subject of putting, say you had 12 foot putt for birdie, you miss ding by the slightest of margins, ball sails wide.  BUT, say you were in same spot, same break, everything the same as your birdie putt but you are going for a par, not birdie, you miss ding slightly exactly the same as you did for the missed birdie putt, but the par putt always seems to go straight for the hole, regardless of missing ding on break side too!

  Do you play real golf?

  In real golf you are more tense over a birdie putt. Which leads to a tighter grip on the putter and more stiff overall. Ever miss a 12 foot downhill birdie putt in real golf and have it go 12 foot past the hole but center cut the 12 footer coming back? A. Because you were still thinking about the putt you just missed and are more relaxed. And B, because you were pissed and hit the putt hard enough to hold it's line this time instead of coaxing it in the hole.

  See here in WGT land since we don't have real clubs our mouse replaces our grips. Mice can sense tension.

  Ok, maybe not. But I would be willing to bet those 12 foot missed birdies putts don't have near the pace those 12 foot made par putts have.

  chrisironsbones:

  Why is it if you have a putt with a break going one way near your avatar, then for a few squares of the putting grid near the hole, the break goes in opposite direction, why is it only the break near your avatar effects the ball and the break nearer the hole does nothing???

  Go play KIA #2 and putt from directly above the pin about 20 feet. Now make a replay of that putt as it breaks right coming down the hill then goes back left at the hole. In fact, depends on where you're putting from, I would say all 18 of KIA's greens double break.

  There are several putts on the rest of WGT's courses that double break. Actually there's quite a few on each course. I've never had one not take the break the green showed unless incorrectly played the first part of the break. Or my speed was off.

   

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Wed, Feb 8 2012 5:58 PM

  Chris / Jim ---- Not to start a back and forth - you guys know i'm pretty level headed but ----

  WGT has shown they can't change the font on the ready go's so they are readable from the main page ... can't put a function in to send a message to more than one person at a time ... can't figure out a formula to track averages ... etc. etc. etc.   

  Do you really think their game software is sophisticated enough to change the dynamics of each shot or putt based on how an individual player is playing during one round and whether they are putting for par or birdie ???

  My guess is pigs will fly before their software can handle anything like that.  

  A shot is a shot is a shot .. a putt is a putt is a putt ... randomly you get deviations ... that's the game ... nothing more.

  Just saying

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 4:50 AM

  Willsstrs:

  The point is, YJ's and CIB's complaints are BOGUS but there are such things as false breaks like 11 cabo (see above)...

  I am not complaining about a single thing. This has nothing to do with a "false" break. I just like to try and understand things that happen in a logical manner. Using the word "deviation" was a mistake because it immediately brings to mind the wrong thought. I should have reworded it and used "forgiveness" instead. If you want to brand it as a tin foil application, go ahead, doesn't bother me because I know it's not. I challenge anyone to deny that you've all missed short putts and made the return with the exact same putt, missed ding and all.

  My point started out as one to point out that starting off on a "wrong" line makes even the best putts miss. It has nothing to do with what you're shooting, what your average is, what your dog's name is and who your wife is. 

  FWIW, anything I express an opinion on doesn't come out of the body's rear exit-it comes from actually playing and seeing these things. I think that's called experience. If it's something I don't know about I will go figure it out. 

  The tip about starting off on the wrong line came from an extremely talented and proven individual in a game where I saw his point firsthand. It was good advice. 

  There is no back and forth to be concerned about, Lou. This is just a convo about frustrating aspects of this game.

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 4:57 AM

  I totally agree with you JIm, been happening to me on a daily basses, seems like on that second putt try it's impossible to miss, damn I have even been so mad that I clicked way way  early hit the line before the ding and made the putt......go figure.

  As for as the opposite break thing it  is just  simple action  reaction.

  Gary 

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 6:25 AM

  lvietri:

  can't put a function in to send a message to more than one person at a time

  You actually can send messages to more than one person. In the recipients box, you can add up to 50 names of people you want to send a single message too.

  I do agree it should be a CC feature first and foremost with the capability of sending a single message to a maximum of 250 Club members.