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• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 7:14 PM

  Richard4168:

  BolloxInBruges:

  I remember in the 'VEM' copyright documents it said (paraphrasing) "as a player advances in skill variables may increase difficulty in the gameplay"

  How is what I said false then, whether VEM is implemented or not?

  I have my own experience through thousands of rounds as well. I didn't just fall off the bologna truck yesterday. The shot randomness program may or may not be VEM, but randomness, or "deviations" do occur within the game. Do you agree with that?

  You stated this : " In any event, there is a program in this game that will increase the difficulty of play as a player continues to score well in any game-mode. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not."

  That is false, I think I would be around as qualified as anyone on WGT to answer that having 'scored well in any game-mode' quite a few times now.

  Obviously deviations occur, no club on WGT is rated 5 out of 5 in precision, they are supposed to deviate.  There is no increase in deviation due to having a good round (VEM).  The human brain tends to remember the times you were 'screwed by a deviation' more than the times that you mishit 2 pixels and still had a tapin bird due to a favorable deviation.

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 7:16 PM

  Agreed Bollox (Sam). I didn't mean to get you flustered.

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 7:26 PM

  cycle1979:

  HAHA..... Not sure how you turned the conspiracy theorist stuff on me but funny stuff!  Don't you think the conspiracy theoristss are the ones that believe there is a "randomness program" built into the software?!?!?!?!?  and that WGT intentionally makes Eagle putts harder than Birdie putts which are harder than Par putts???  

  Come on you know what is meant here, not the put itself but opportunity for the putt, which still plays on the randomness of the game. I personally know something is going on , from my own experience. Be it  a bug , vem , deviation what ever. This is a man made program which eliminates human error(if you hit the ding). If this does this then this does this, and no matter how many times you do that you should  get the same results. Kind of like shooting pool , if you hit the same mark every time on a bank shot the result is the ball goes in the pocket. Not so with this game I hit my wedge shots contently the same every time and got it to where I get 1 yd from the hole now all of a sudden Im shooting 3-4 yards past the hole, nothing has changed on my end so where is the error.    

• CanineSupervisor 1,882 Posts

  Thu, Feb 9 2012 8:00 PM

  It's pretty obvious there are shot deviations caused by the VEM. Read the document at the US Patent Office for further information on it.

  WGT Patents

  U.S. Patent No. 7,847,808 for Photographic Mapping in a Simulation
  U.S. Patent No. 7,806,777 for Automatic Adaptation of Virtual Equipment Model

   

• cycle1979 1,555 Posts

  Fri, Feb 10 2012 3:51 AM

  CanineSupervisor:

  It's pretty obvious there are shot deviations caused by the VEM. Read the document at the US Patent Office for further information on it.

   

  WGT Patents

  U.S. Patent No. 7,847,808 for Photographic Mapping in a Simulation
  U.S. Patent No. 7,806,777 for Automatic Adaptation of Virtual Equipment Model

   

   

  I'd like to read the actual patent because what you wrote doesn't prove anything.  It just mentions virtual equipment.... but to my real thought.

  There are 2 theories here, each of which obviously can't be proven unless a programmer for WGT decides to solve the mystery.

  1) VEM - This model says that the programmers decided to not make the game consistent which causes players to miss shots which otherwise they would have made if VEM didn't kick in?  This doesn't explain the players that consistently shoot in the 20's and win the ready-go's unless they are exempt from VEM.  This may explain why myself and others that are not quite as consistent cannot consistently shoot in the 20's or 50's.

  2) The game is consistent and the inconsistency lies within the user.  I think if you again watch Bullox's videos you can see that he is NOT consistent.  He misses the meter time and time again but is able to overcome it by understanding where he needs to hit on the greens and how to make the putts.  Myself on the other hand, tends to miss on the wrong spots which create much more difficult putts or approaches.  I also tend to miss the meter by more than what B does which makes me "deviate" further from my line.  I'm willing to say that its ME causing the deviations and not the game.

  You choose which one you agree with....

• Steve442 710 Posts

  Fri, Feb 10 2012 4:11 AM

  There ARE deviations within the game, I think everyone agrees with that. No club is 100% accurate so even if you hit a perfect shot there is still inbuilt margin for error.

  The deviations however do NOT get more pronounced the better your score!

  Your score has no bearing on it whatsoever.

• cycle1979 1,555 Posts

  Fri, Feb 10 2012 5:39 AM

  Check this replay out.. maybe this is what you are talking about??  But... I hit the right shot so I'm thinking it is just an animation glitch.

  http://www.wgt.com/gameclient.aspx?view=showReplay&JSON=%257B%2520%2522GUID%2522%2520%253A%2520%25225ee4e6fe-3cbb-44c6-b8a9-9ff300e06d89%2522%252C%2520%2522Brand%2522%2520%253A%2520%2522undefined%2522%2520%257D

  Nevermind... just watched the link and the replay was different after my shot.  Bounced way passed the hole on one angle and then on the 2nd angle it landed within 5 feet.

• cycle1979 1,555 Posts

  Fri, Feb 10 2012 8:17 AM

  OK... I did some research and there is such a thing as VEM so I will certainly concede that point.  As to how it works.... I will let you guys figure it out....

  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7806777.html

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Fri, Feb 10 2012 8:30 AM

  

  Would rather wear one of these any day than to have the bad taste of 5hite on my tongue.

  Richard4168:

  Its also been mentioned by some that the randomness program, or shot variables, or the precision/forgiveness feature of the clubs is the VEM model. In any event, there is a program in this game that will increase the difficulty of play as a player continues to score well in any game-mode. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

  Have to agree on this one. Front 9 at Cabo in 18 hole ready go 2 minutes ago, was landing within 1 & 0 yards most holes appart from 2 holes where i was 3 yards.  Managed -9.  Back 9, i seemed to be getting more wayward shots, and stuff like 120 PW going 122 yards with up slope & 16 mph wind in my face.  A lot of shots coming way shorter than expected too.  only managed 4 birdies for back 9.  Was like 2 different people playing the front & back.

  But i also experienced rounds where there seems to be NO random shots/deviation, and every shot goes as planned, even the miss hits land within 2 yards, these are rounds where you cant do no wrong even if you tried.

  cycle1979:

  1) VEM - This model says that the programmers decided to not make the game consistent which causes players to miss shots which otherwise they would have made if VEM didn't kick in?  This doesn't explain the players that consistently shoot in the 20's and win the ready-go's unless they are exempt from VEM.  This may explain why myself and others that are not quite as consistent cannot consistently shoot in the 20's or 50's.

  I'll tell you this from my experience, if i win a ready go at St Andrews, the next ready go on that course will be so effected by "deviation" & random wayward shots it is very hard to score well even when i hity ding, i would be lucky to get 62.  Fraction of a missed ding will send ball 8 yards right/left, and get shots coming up long or short and ball always seems to land on awkward parts of the green, maybe land by pin with full back spin, but then roll forward 4/5 yards where as good rounds it stops dead!

  I then play next ready go after (1ready go after posting bad round or withdrawing from previous) that round will be back to normal, missed dings by a fraction dont land as far from pin, club yardages all seem right, and land in decent parts of the green for easy putts and score in the 50's

  Think of ready go's like 100 meterraces, some ready go's you are like Usain Bolt, or other fast Jamaicans and come first & second, but then other times you have torun the race with legs tied together, now thats deviation!

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Fri, Feb 10 2012 8:40 AM

  Woodoworkery:

  Kind of like shooting pool , if you hit the same mark every time on a bank shot the result is the ball goes in the pocket. Not so with this game I hit my wedge shots contently the same every time and got it to where I get 1 yd from the hole now all of a sudden Im shooting 3-4 yards past the hole, nothing has changed on my end so where is the error.    

  That's a combination (IMO) of club precision maybe mixed with deviation, if hitting the ding ensured 100% success on shots, scores would be in the 40's :)