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Tue, Jul 17 2012 2:57 PM (141 replies)
  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sat, Feb 27 2010 11:02 AM

    palupear:
    Anyone know where this might be officially explained or debunked by the WGT program staff?

     

    http://wgt.com/forums/p/8462/53719.aspx#53719

  • palupear
    50 Posts
    Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:29 PM

    YankeeJim and All:

    Terrific responses!  I really appreciate it.  Knowing that the VEM effect is real helps me feel good that I'm not crazy (in this particular way in any case).  I guess it is true what they say: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you."

    VEM seems like a neat program, but it still bugs me that unpredictability increases as skills, familiarity with the courses and equipment improves.  I think the WGT folks should consider changing other variables to deal with player boredom and to increase realism related to scoring, such as:

    Pin placements (more variables)

    Wind conditions (more variables)

    Weather variables (rain conditions or dampness of course, fairway and green hardness, air temperature)

    More stroke play options (# of courses available in this format - thanks for St. Andrews front 9 BTW!)

    Also, letting players choose the side of the tee box they want to tee off from makes a lot of difference in angle of attack for shaping shots and safety of ball flight.

    All these variables would imitate the realism of actual golf, and would give greater indication of relative skill levels and handicaps (and reward good course management) for all players.  The VEM system seems too arbitrary and actually may be counterproductive, if the real reason for its use is to counteract player boredom.  I personally am more motivated when good effort and precision works out for me (a chip in from the rough, a well placed bunker shot, or a long bending putt give me greater satisfaction and drive to continue to play than does a perfectly executed swing that crashes into the lip of a bunker 40 yards short of where the shot was targeted).

    I'd hate to think that the only way to combat the VEM may appear to be switching out new clubs frequently to "reset the VEM meter".  Or to play so much that you can better predict the VEM shot-killing variables and incorporate them into you game (i.e.: "okay, so VEM doesn't let me hit my hybrid accurately on this hole, so I'll use a knockdown 3 iron that seems to inexplicably be the club the program desires..." or "gee, I've got to hit this putt a lot softer than the slope and distance indicate to cheat the VEM" , or "I need to actually hit a purposeful fade on this drive to get decent distance", etc.,)

    I guess what I'm saying is that there may be other options that are much less arbitrary or that at least mirror the variables of real golf. 

     

     

     

  • chipshotcharlie
    538 Posts
    Sat, Feb 27 2010 4:09 PM

    Before we think any option is possible you really need to realize that the more options the worse the meter can potentially be. Treat it like a battery the more you drain it the less it performs.

    I believe the meter is as good as it is going to get as if it was fixable it would be done by now . The game is great treat it as such.If you want perfection get on the course for real and i dont think you will find it there either.

    thx chip

  • palupear
    50 Posts
    Mon, Jul 5 2010 7:56 PM

    I know this is an old thread, but I just encountered weird inconsistencies while trying to play a Ready Go at St. Andrews.  Low wind conditions and my tee shots were generally very short, even when hit on the button.  For example a tee ball struck perfectly with a 7 mph backing wind went only 277 when I've experienced much longer results (up to 300 yds or more) under similar conditions.  With a 13 mph side wind, I got a 313 yd result on another hole.  With a 8 mph head wind I got 283.  Never experienced this kind of inexplicable result before using the same driver and ball.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Jul 6 2010 5:12 AM

    Pal-the fairways at SA will knock your drive down a bunch if you land in the wrong place. Hitting the side of one of those mounds in the fairway will stop the drive in its tracks. A good practice to get into is zooming to the landing area and picking as flat a spot as you can. Artful drivers will land on the hole side of one of these mounds-the ball acts like it hit a trampoline. GL

     

  • palupear
    50 Posts
    Fri, Nov 12 2010 2:42 PM

    PLEASE

    FIX

    THE

    METER!

    I've tried all the suggestions, even got a new router with 5ghz band.  An okay round has 5 or 6 glitches on shots.  most rounds have twice that.  Bad rounds have twice that of average rounds.  

    I know there are ways this could happen, or ways that wgt could program compensations for glitches, or detatch the meter from online.  I do not believe they are even trying to figure it out, or they have solutions and just do not want to enact them.

    The occasional periods of decent responses are overwhelmed by the longer periods of frustrating performance.

    Sorry to harp on this, but, most of us do not need artificial challenges to suppress our ability to swing consistently and obtain accurate results.

     

  • snipersammy
    9 Posts
    Fri, Nov 12 2010 3:49 PM

    The better u get or higher tier you reach it begins to get ridiculous, high winds always, any tiny miss hit goes way off course,putts are out of control,lip out after lip out,Idon't even enjoy playing any more. If your going to have high wind all the time, than be consistent. A ball hit with 160 yd club with 15 mph wind at your back should not go 147 once, then175 the next time. Cut the wind effect or fix it.

  • misstery
    705 Posts
    Fri, Nov 12 2010 4:45 PM

    My G10's are just as inconsistent as my raptures were

  • flicklives
    33 Posts
    Fri, Nov 12 2010 5:26 PM

    palupear:
    The occasional periods of decent responses are overwhelmed by the longer periods of frustrating performance.

    Agreed.

    Facts:  WGT servers work better than PSJ servers.

    On different days the same wind level is stronger or weaker than advertised,

    and/or same green speed level is either faster or slower than advertised.

    VEM is sometimes so far beyond belief that any 'reality' it is intended to bring is lost.

    Single player always responds better than multi-player & 4 player games are better after one or  two quit.

    Not crying, I'm still playing, & enjoying the game. These things are my reality here; others seem to agree. Denying that these things happen doesn't help, anymore than expecting wgt to fix them all at once. When and if some of these bugs are worked out I would be happy to pay a good price to buy the game. Stay in the short stuff...

     

     

  • x1524807
    776 Posts
    Sat, Nov 13 2010 6:22 AM

    palupear:

    PLEASE

    FIX

    THE

    METER!

    have had very little problem with the meter, i can usually compensate for the minor glitch, but the last 3 nights have been impossible. Anyone else having the same problem in the last 3 evenings

     

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