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• Alexander14 12 Posts

  Tue, Apr 10 2012 2:11 PM

  Wgt, you guys need to make this coming us open and open championship realistic enough so that the winning scores wont be in the low fifties.Make it so the scores will be at least in the low sixties so People who are not On the Legends Tier have some what of a shot to win.

• overtheedge 5,885 Posts

  Wed, Apr 11 2012 6:09 AM

  Really Alex....You have to play, play , play , play to compete in the Open. That is the way it is and the way it should be. Scores may be unrealistic, but the players who do qualify are usually the top players in the WGT community. Why? Because they play, play , play, play, play, compete, compete , compete,compete, etc...etc...etc. In "REAL LIFE" as well. Who are the top players in the world and what do they do. They play , play , play, play - all day , EVERYDAY. They compete there entire career. Again, the WGT Tour Championship "Cut Lines" may be unrealistic, but the players who make the cut deserve every bit of that chance to win a WGT Major. 

• piztaker 5,743 Posts

  Wed, Apr 11 2012 9:47 AM

  If they made the game harder then everybody would post higher scores but the best would still win. So hardly worth the effort really.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Wed, Apr 11 2012 3:32 PM

  Alexander14:

  Wgt, you guys need to make this coming us open and open championship realistic enough so that the winning scores wont be in the low fifties.Make it so the scores will be at least in the low sixties so People who are not On the Legends Tier have some what of a shot to win.

  I suppose this is something of the mentality that bothers me.  The only way People who are not On the Legends Tier should have a shot to win is if they are good enough to win.  And if they are, they'll be good enough to qualify as well.  Otherwise, they aren't not winning, or not making the cut, because of the course or WGT, but because they aren't good enough.

  In addition, it doesn't make any #$%^ sense.  If you are shooting 60 when the cut is 56, what is WGT to do?  Make the course 4 strokes harder so that those that shot 56 will shoot 60?  Fine, but then you will probably shoot 65 (what costs a better player 4 strokes will cost you at least 5).  Or perhaps make the course 4 strokes easier so you can shoot 56?  Fine but then the best players are gonna shoot 51 and you still have no shot to make the cut.  Or expand the cut so that in the original form, a player at 60 makes it?  Why?  The top 100 plus ties works for the PGA and USGA, why not us?

  Where does it say that anyone has a right to win?  The only people that have the right to win are those with the skills and mentality that seize the opportunity.

• D51nn3tt 73 Posts

  Thu, Apr 12 2012 6:06 AM

  JaLaBar:

  Alexander14:

  Wgt, you guys need to make this coming us open and open championship realistic enough so that the winning scores wont be in the low fifties.Make it so the scores will be at least in the low sixties so People who are not On the Legends Tier have some what of a shot to win.

  I suppose this is something of the mentality that bothers me.  The only way People who are not On the Legends Tier should have a shot to win is if they are good enough to win.  And if they are, they'll be good enough to qualify as well.  Otherwise, they aren't not winning, or not making the cut, because of the course or WGT, but because they aren't good enough.

  In addition, it doesn't make any #$%^ sense.  If you are shooting 60 when the cut is 56, what is WGT to do?  Make the course 4 strokes harder so that those that shot 56 will shoot 60?  Fine, but then you will probably shoot 65 (what costs a better player 4 strokes will cost you at least 5).  Or perhaps make the course 4 strokes easier so you can shoot 56?  Fine but then the best players are gonna shoot 51 and you still have no shot to make the cut.  Or expand the cut so that in the original form, a player at 60 makes it?  Why?  The top 100 plus ties works for the PGA and USGA, why not us?

  Where does it say that anyone has a right to win?  The only people that have the right to win are those with the skills and mentality that seize the opportunity.

  Fair enough, but i also think unlimited qualifying is a bit much. Makes more sense to me if the tourney was 4 rounds single play make the cut after 2 just like real life. The only reason I think it's still unlimited is so the rest of us (meaning not the great ones) will try forever to qualify & thus spend alot more $$$ on balls. There would be no 57 cut line if the qualifying was single play. THAT'S REALISTIC

• D51nn3tt 73 Posts

  Thu, Apr 12 2012 6:22 AM

  LOL, what makes sense to me does not make cents to them.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Apr 12 2012 6:25 AM

  JaLaBar:

   The only way People who are not On the Legends Tier should have a shot to win is if they are good enough to win.  And if they are, they'll be good enough to qualify as well.

  To that end, having conditions such as they did last year being as easy as they were drives that cut line down. The year before at Oakmont the green speeds were like the Oly CTTH-rocket speed. Keep them like that and IMO I don't think the cut will go that low.

  Your point about the 4 stroke difference is well stated.

• overtheedge 5,885 Posts

  Thu, Apr 12 2012 6:52 AM

  D51nn3tt:

  LOL, what makes sense to me does not make cents to them.

  I LOVE IT!  This quote is the answer to A LOT of community issue's. You summed it up well  D51. 

• jimbean346 3,006 Posts

  Thu, Apr 12 2012 7:12 AM

  Going to sound harsh but inevitably the best players will always come out on top irrespective of the conditions that you have to play with. Having a limited qualifying process will not change things dramatically; yes you'll get a few surprise names who miss out but invariably the same old faces will still dominate.

  The key point to make is that the Opens make WGT a lot of money; people want to qualify and therefore spend a fair bit of cash on balls. Many will say that's unfair but the bottom line is that you won't have a game to play if they don't get money from various different avenues. I'd prefer to have unlimited qualifying and a high quality game over limited qualifying and less courses being released for instance.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Thu, Apr 12 2012 7:59 AM

  jimbean346:

  Going to sound harsh but inevitably the best players will always come out on top irrespective of the conditions that you have to play with. Having a limited qualifying process will not change things dramatically; yes you'll get a few surprise names who miss out but invariably the same old faces will still dominate.

  yes.

   

  Alexander14:

  Wgt, you guys need to make this coming us open and open championship realistic enough so that the winning scores wont be in the low fifties.Make it so the scores will be at least in the low sixties so People who are not On the Legends Tier have some what of a shot to win.

   

  I know, why doesn't WGT make every one who is Legend get a shaky meter in their qualifying rounds, would that make you happy?

  We hear it all the time just because mr. average can't qualify then its not fair any one qualifying.  The best have dedicated their time to learn the game and their skill deserve to qualify.  Limited qualifying will never happen, it will cost wgt revenue, and how would you feel if your limited qualifying round was ruined due to a meter skip?

  Make the course harder the same will qualify, limited qualifying the same will qualify (appart from 1 or 2 lucky rounds by average joe's)  but the game is meant to be about skill NOT luck.  I scored 58 on 2nd go at Congressional, so did many others

  When i was new i remember trying to qualify for open at Oakmont and St Andrews, i was pro at the time, and had to use pro driver (rapture) as it was tier based equipment.  I missed out on St Andrews cut by 1 stroke, i got 63, the cut was 62.  And Oakmont i could only score -5and was amazed how people could qualify.  I didn't sulk and think it was unfair i did my best to improve and to make the cut next year, which i did.  (yes the cut might have seemed a high number at Oakmont and St Andrews but we didn't have the R11's or Burners back then and best driver if you were master was R9 tri which was hard to hit fairways.  If people make the cut they deserve it, just as in real life, if you want to make the cut then get better because the ones who do make the cut certainly wont get worse!