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Re: penalty for quitting

• Doublemochaman 2,009 Posts

  Sat, May 29 2010 8:32 PM

  Snaike... do you have a web site where I can buy some of that lemonade and have it shipped to me?

• riskaddiction 23 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 12:16 AM

  Chipsalot:

  Quitting in multi-player games is a major issue and getting worse daily. Thousands of games are ruined everyday because of lack of  commitment to finish and leaves genuine players uptight and frustrated.

  Some players do have to quit games for genuine reasons, I've done it myself, but there's no reason why  I and others should not be forced back to finish the game before being allowed to start another one.

   

  good post

• riskaddiction 23 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 12:28 AM

  the lemonade scenario just doesnt fit..   ...   point being drink as much or as little as you want..  the COST is the same...  

  however there is always a COST..    you dont just spit it out and say no that doesnt count because I didnt drink it ALL

  how can wgt claim to be the worlds most realistic golf game when people who have a bad round simply quit and never have to post a score...

  golf is a game where mental composure and the ability to handle pressure are enormously important facets..   allowing people to quit without ANY penalty pretty much ruins any true relationship to the game. 

   

• Dean2110 43 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 1:22 AM

  my 2 cents worth ? I've just had to quit a game because I lost my menu completely. Yes the game was playable but with no menu I had no reference to who was on what score, who was playing thier shot, or any stats or perhaps most importantly no CHAT. Id rather quit than be deemed to be an ignorant ass . It would be very hard to implement a penalty system . Who is the judge of whether or not someone has a genuine reason for disconnecting a game ?

   

  Anyway to the players I quit on about 5 minutes ago I apologise for that.

   

  Best regards etc ........

• skeptical 62 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 2:23 AM

  Snaike:

  The very reality of a 'free game' is that people can come and go as they please.

  Again, what's the point in that?

  I guess "the very reality of a 'free game' is that people can play it for free" makes more sense.

  It's like if you say: "the very reality of a free pick-up is that you can get it if you want". Do you get the discrepancy?

  Snaike:

  For example.... I have opened a store that gives away free lemonade.  I have the option to buy beer, should you wish, but it's not necessary.  I am going to have a line out the door and around the block.  But, now because my free lemonade is being wasted by some, I am going to make sure that everyone who comes into my store for free lemonade HAS to finish all of it before I will sell them a beer.  What if my lemonade tasted like turpentine?  How many customers am I going to have for my beer?  Not as many as I would have if I allowed them to dump that nasty lemonade.  So, I am just going to charge everyone who comes in for a beer because they don't want the lemonade.

  Weak example, I know, but I hope you see the point.

  True, weak example. Rather very weak example. Your metaphor doesn't fit.

  Here is one that should: You have a store that gives away free lemonade. You set an option to buy beer, should someone wish it, but it's not necessary. Because your free lemonade is being shed over other customers by many, you are going to make sure that anyone who comes into your store IS persuaded to not shed it, if they don't want trouble. How many customers are you going to have for your beer? Not as many as you would have if you allowed them to shed it. So, you are going to charge anyone who comes in for a beer, and let those who want a free lemonade drink it peacefully.

  Maybe later on, lemonade customers will think of getting the beer..

  Snaike:

  The swing meter is not fool-proof.  It's going to ruin someone's game.  When that game is ruined they leave.  There are 1001 different reasons for leaving a game.... whether it's computer related, score related, spouse related, idiot playing partner related... whatever... people are going to leave.

  This is why there's the 'resume game' button. So you can finish your game when you are fine with it (when computer is fixed, when spouse stops bothering..).

  My "forced to finish" statement is not supposed to be intended as "forced to play at once". This is important.

  Snaike:

  And it does not make any sense, in a business, to drive (possibly) paying customers away.

  I believe none would leave the game due to this change. I wouldn't have suggested it if so. Indeed i think the business would benefit by it.

  Snaike:

  Peace to you both.

  To you too.

  Snaike:

  I've been here 18 months and I've quit exactly 2 games.  One was caused by a playing partner who was disrupting the Multiplayer game with max shots and max time, spamming the chat window... and the other was just yesterday when my spouse and eldest daughter needed the machine I'm on for something fairly important... while I was in a CC tourney game.  I forfeited and gave my friend the game.

  Should I be penalized for either of those two?

  It's not about being penalized if you quit, but if you forfeit through the in-game 'forfeit game' button after the quit! And only in ranked games. 

  Is it possible to have wgt comment this solution please?

• skeptical 62 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 4:33 AM

   

  riskaddiction:

  how can wgt claim to be the worlds most realistic golf game when people who have a bad round simply quit and never have to post a score...

  golf is a game where mental composure and the ability to handle pressure are enormously important facets..   allowing people to quit without ANY penalty pretty much ruins any true relationship to the game.

  Yeah, this is so right. I totally agree.

   

   

  Dean2110:

  my 2 cents worth ? I've just had to quit a game because I lost my menu completely. Yes the game was playable but with no menu I had no reference to who was on what score, who was playing thier shot, or any stats or perhaps most importantly no CHAT. Id rather quit than be deemed to be an ignorant ass . It would be very hard to implement a penalty system . Who is the judge of whether or not someone has a genuine reason for disconnecting a game ?

  I get what you mean:

  - a player may disconnect for a genuine reason like the one that you just described (or even unexpectedly get disconnected)

  In such cases, which are supposed to be rare (technical problems are supposed to be rare), simply 'resume game' and continue in singleplayer, so you don't get the bad score.

  I know the disappearing problem you encountered is all but rare since last update (2-3 days ago)... but i think it's fine to say that all those collateral obstacles like technical and real life problems happen rarely. Isn't so?

  Maybe, since we will not be able to save only our best scores, we will all get a slightly higher score avg at the beginning. But hey, who cares? We will still be able to state who plays better than who. Which is all that matters.

  And anyway, it's not sure we are going to get higher score avgs. Because right now people play wrong many ranked games because they know they can forfeit them without penalty. If a score penalty is implemented, i bet we will all play a little better, and thus even improving faster if that matters.

  In the end, what really matters, is to considerably decrease the number of quits on multiplayer games. Setting score penalty on ranked games i think, would not only work the issue better than reputation system, it would also add that relationship with real golf riskaadiction stated. Reputation system may be worth for practice mode. Not for ranked.

  Give it a try wgt.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 8:58 AM

  I think lemonade tastes better when you mix it with beer.

• AlaCowboy 1,321 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 9:23 AM

  Dean2110:

  my 2 cents worth ? I've just had to quit a game because I lost my menu completely. Yes the game was playable but with no menu I had no reference to who was on what score, who was playing thier shot, or any stats or perhaps most importantly no CHAT. Id rather quit than be deemed to be an ignorant ass . It would be very hard to implement a penalty system . Who is the judge of whether or not someone has a genuine reason for disconnecting a game ?

   

  Anyway to the players I quit on about 5 minutes ago I apologise for that.

   

  Best regards etc ........

  Dean, that problem with the disappearing data is a recent problem WGT is trying to fix over the weekend. We're all having that problem. It makes it a bit confusing but you can still chat if your chat screen is open at the time the bug happens. With hope, it will be fixed in the next day or 2.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 9:31 AM

  AlaCowboy:

  With hope, it will be fixed in the next day or 2.

  http://wgt.com/forums/t/13453.aspx

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Sun, May 30 2010 11:26 AM

  Let's be serious.

  First --- to all of you who want WGT to penalize people who quit .... i commend all of you for never leaving a game ... for whatever reason.

  Next --- this is not real golf ... these are not real golf tournaments ... so please don't relate this to a real golf situation.   This is a game ---the best golf simulator on line but a game none the less.

  Finally --- why would WGT want to impose a penalty on people who play their game.   Why would they want to upset customer who will spend money on clubs, balls and other items.   For those who want to quit .. they should keep playing the open match play games (i.e. not for credits) and for those who don't ... play the ladders, join crazyman's league .. or play for credits if your allowed to .... lots of options ... just don't expect WGT to penalize customers --- it's not good for business.