Thanks Niv yeah I get ya for sure, and I know that the effect is definitely less than an uphill lie has, a lot less actually, but I just dont think it is fully accounted for here, close I guess, at least from my real game experience but then my memory isnt the greatest.
I think at that Wolf creek hole you should at least shave off 8 yards or maybe 10 instead of the 3 or 4 currently, again just from memory of similar holes at other courses.
I'll try to put the theory to the test this year on the links :)
Thanks for your reply and the link, I'll take a boo.