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Uneven Lies Ryder Cup @ Chambers Bay: Oct2015

Thu, Nov 12 2015 5:08 AM (315 replies)
  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, Sep 10 2015 3:59 PM

    FINAL overall event score:

    Team USA 8.5 :: Team ROW 15.5

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    Original post:

    Welcome!

    This will be the official thread for the third merit-based UEL Ryder Cup, coming soon to Chambers Bay.

    This event is a follow-up to the inaugural UEL Ryder Cup (with self-selected players, and won by ROW), the first merit-based UEL Ryder Cup (based on qualification) held at Pinehurst (won by USA), both in 2014, and the Jan-Feb 2015 edition @ Olympic (won by ROW).

    The first, and most important, thing to note is that I am DELAYING the event until October

    I've received many concerns from participants that the state of multiplayer play right now on WGT is too unreliable to make it worth risking at this time. I am hoping that things will settle down in a month's time to make this event possible. 

    So, apologies for this delay...

    ... but, I do still want posts from participating players with a reconfirmation of your intent to play. 

    By end-September (hopefully after the dust settles on the next WGT update and we hear whether multiplayer has improved or not), I will have try and post confirmed dates, and also put up the Time Availability Chart. The likely timeframe for the event will be an early or mid-October start, and a three-week duration.

    Here is information from the final page of the Qualification Thread:

    Corwyn:

    Thank you everyone for your participation in the Spring 2015 UEL Tour and for battling away for Ryder Cup qualification. It has been an exciting process to follow.

    Congratulations to all those who made automatic team selection, and commiserations to those that fell short.

    Here, in one simplified list, are the automatic qualifiers for each team for the UEL Ryder Cup @ Chambers Bay in Sep/Oct 2015:

    Team USA:

    bhoese


    akash1592

    mmyers0

    GolferDadRB

    DaveDwingdale

    Shankette

    
ColumbusStorm (US team captain)

    frenchconnect

    Wesdogg75


    fredsf

    Team USA Captain's Picks: to be announced closer to the event


    Team ROW:  (team captain to be announced)

    fmagnets 

    Corwyn


    Saurabh08

    KonradOse

    Priestess


    JoeMaverick


    FairwayRuepel68

    Legaci

    johehejo

    duffputt

    Team ROW Captain's Picks: to be announced closer to the event

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    Congratulations to all our qualifiers, especially to the Ryder Cup debutant(e)s: for Team USA, askash1592Shankette, and frenchconnect, and for Team ROW, Legaci and duffputt.

    I am trying to confirm the Team ROW captain (nominations welcome!) ... and do note that Captains will be watching the results of key UEL events between now and October to help inform their Captains Picks. 

    Qualified Players: PLEASE CONFIRM IN THIS THREAD your intent to play in this event.

    Thank you!

    Corwyn

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, Sep 10 2015 4:00 PM

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    Important links will always be posted here throughout the tourney:

    Time Availability Sheet (see process in next post below) [sign-up form

    Specific Matches for 1st Week Best-Ball Series (spreadsheet linkforum post link with explanation and expectations)

    Specific Matches for 2nd Week Foursomes Series (spreadsheet link | forum post link) with explanation and expectations)

    Specific Matches for 3rd Week Singles Series (spreadsheet link | forum post link) with explanation and expectations)

    Screenshot posting requirements explained here (scorecard, and stats if you can, please!)

    Guidelines in the event of interrupted matches, disconnects, no-shows, etc.

    Results Sheet 

    Ryder Cup Chatzy Room: for matches that aren't being streamed, I've set up a Chatzy Room where players can, if they wish [and provided they won't get too distracted], provide running commentary about what's happening for the benefit of the rest of us!

    Time Zone information: here is this helpful link if people need something to reference.

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    Scheduling & Team Co-Captains

    Corwyn is the administrator of the tourney, and is in charge of scheduling.

    Team Captains:

    USA :: ColumbusStorm

    ROW :: JoeMaverick

    Captains will help to select team pairings for the four-player series' and provide the blind 'secret envelope' line-up lists for their teams.

    That said, scheduling for this tourney is highly dependent on availability rather than strategy or chance! We are running it based on players' declared playing times and matching people up accordingly.

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    FORMAT & ROUND CONDITIONS:

    Foursomes and Singles can be set up in the game lobby as Alt Shot and Scored MP respectively, while the Fourball matches will need to be set up in practice mode. Players will keep track of the Fourball Matchplay score as they go via the chat.

    Please note, Gimme's are NOT allowed. You must put the ball in the hole!  If anyone does take a Gimme, it'll count as a 10 on your card, so... Don't take a Gimme!

    The ROW team (as reigning UEL Ryder Cup champions) have the honor, and so should set up the matches and be the first pair to tee off.

    Please designate one player per match (per team as backup) to capture and share scorecard screenshots in the forum thread. Note that there can be an A/S result, which will mean 1/2 point to each team.

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    Just a reminder: The expectation is that all matches will be played: we don't award games based on disconnects.

    If you run into connection issues, please follow the guidelines posted here. Try and finish your match however possible. In this competition, we assume everyone's best intentions and we ignore thrice-disconnects and timeouts. If needed (and possible in the format) concede holes to get back to the same hole and score as soon as you can.

    If there are no-shows, the guidelines tell you what to do. Alternates: please note the match start times listed above, and if you can be around and green at scheduled start time, you may be called upon.

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    And, please remember to share both 9 scorecards and an exciting match report afterwards!

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    Week 1 (from Sat 10/17 to Mon 10/26) :: FourBall (Best Ball) series with a set of six matches to be played over the back 9 holes at Chambers Bay with the following conditions:

    Chambers Bay :: 4-Player Strokeplay :: Practice Mode :: Back 9 :: default pins :: Yellow (Hard) tees :: Championship Green Speed :: High Wind :: Uneven Lies :: 60 second timer

    Please note: Matches should end at the 9th, if they haven't ended earlier. You should not play Extra Holes. If match is tied after the 9th hole, then the result is A/S, and each team wins 1/2 pt.

    The line-up for the 1st week 4-Player Fourball matches, to be completed by Mon 10/26 will be posted here:

                   Team USA                     vs                 Team ROW

    A ::  Wesdogg75 & fredsf              vs        fmagnets & Wontonamo

    B ::  BigKnight & jaycen129          vs        Legaci & Corwyn

    C ::  ab1983 & rfpoul                     vs        FairwayRuepel68 & johehejo

    D ::  JJ656 & KyRock75                vs         duffputt & JoeMaverick

    E ::   frenchconnect & Young46     vs        KonradOse & Daskino

    F ::   ColumbusStorm & mmyers0  vs       Priestess
 & Saurabh08

     

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    Week 2  (from Sat 10/24 to Mon 11/2):: will be Foursomes (Alt Shot) with a set of six matches to be played over 18 holes at Chambers Bay with the following conditions:

    Chambers Bay :: 4-Player Alt Shot :: Scored Mode :: Full 18 :: Uneven Lies :: 60 second timer :: all other conditions as set by the game lobby

    IMPORTANT NOTE: due to the challenges of getting through games without disconnects, we are recommending that players experiencing or expecting difficulties get through the front 9 of the 18 hole setup and then all agree to drop match. Take 5 mins max to all reboot/restart game client/take bathroom break, and then set up again with another 18 hole match, with Team ROW once again doing the inviting with the same player who started teeing off on #1 initiating the setup, and inviting players in the same order. You can then concede holes to reach the correct score after the 9th, with the correct players teeing off on the even-numbered 10th hole.

    And, the procedure for figuring out who tees off first within each team is explained in WGT's FAQ (copied below, with my emphasis):

    How are the teams made?

    The creator of the game invites 3 other people to play, then chooses a partner from one of those players to form Team Green. The remaining 2 players form Team Gold, and the representative for Team Gold gets to choose who will tee off first for their team. The creator of the game will always tee off first for Team Green.

    What are the rules for Alternate Shot?

    Whoever tees off first for the team will tee off on all of the odd numbered holes (1,3,5 etc.). Their partner will tee off on the even numbered holes (2,4,6 etc,). 

    Please note: Matches should end at the 18th, if they haven't ended earlier. You should not play Extra Holes. If match is tied after the 18th hole, then the result is A/S, and each team wins 1/2 pt.

    The line-up for the 2nd week 4-Player Foursomes (Alt Shot) matches, to be completed by Mon 2 Nov, is here (spreadsheet link):

                   Team USA                     vs                 Team ROW

    A ::  Wesdogg75 & fredsf              vs        KonradOse & Saurabh08

    B ::  ColumbusStorm & mmyers0  vs        duffputt & JoeMaverick

    C ::  rfpoul & jaycen129                 vs         Daskino & Priestess

    D ::  Jerm65 & KyRock75              vs         FairwayRuepel68 & johehejo

    E ::  BigKnight & Young46             vs         Legaci & Corwyn

    F ::  JJ656 & frenchconnect &       vs         fmagnets & Wontonamo

     

    Suggested dates/times for Matches: The spreadsheet shows a bolded and bordered block of 2-3hrs for each match that is the suggested overlap.

    In playing order...

    MATCH D ::  Jerm65 & KyRock75              vs         FairwayRuepel68 & johehejo

    is confirmed for Saturday 10/24, at 5:30pm UTC (10:30am WGT time) 
    [Jeremy's 11:30am | Rock's 1:30pm | Jorg & Mark's 7:30pm]

     

    MATCH B ::  ColumbusStorm & mmyers0  vs        duffputt & JoeMaverick 

    is confirmed for Sat 10/24 at 6pm UTC (11am WGT time)      STREAM
    [mm's 1pm; Russ' 2pm; Mikkel & Joe's 8pm]

     

    MATCH E ::  BigKnight & Young46             vs         Legaci & Corwyn

    is confirmed for Wednesday 10/28 at 5pm UTC (10am WGT time)   STREAM
    [BK, Jason, & Ian's 1pm; Corwyn's 10am]

     

    MATCH C ::  rfpoul & jaycen129                 vs         Daskino & Priestess

    is confirmed for Thursday 10/29 at 2pm UTC (7am WGT time)
    [Remi's 10am, Jaycen's 9am; Tess's 2pm; Lu's 3pm]

     

    MATCH F ::  JJ656 & frenchconnect &       vs         fmagnets & Wontonamo

    is confirmed for Thursday 10/29 at 11pm UTC (4pm WGT time)  STREAM
    [JJ's 6pm; Jon's 7pm; Mags' 9pm; Tom's 9:30am Friday 10/30]

     

    MATCH A ::  Wesdogg75 & fredsf              vs        KonradOse & Saurabh08

    is confirmed for Saturday 10/31 at 4:30pm UTC (9:30am WGT time)
    [Fred's 9:30am; Wes' 11:30am; Konrad's 5:30pm; Saurabh's 9:30pm]

     

    Here is the spreadsheet itself.

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    Ryder Cup Chatzy Room: for matches that aren't being streamed, I've set up a Chatzy Room where players can, if they wish [and provided they won't get too distracted], provide running commentary about what's happening for the benefit of the rest of us!

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    Just a reminder: The expectation is that all matches will be played: we don't award games based on disconnects.

    If you run into connection issues, please follow the guidelines posted here. Try and finish your match however possible. In this competition, we assume everyone's best intentions and we ignore thrice-disconnects and timeouts. If needed (and possible in the format) concede holes to get back to the same hole and score as soon as you can.

    If there are no-shows, the guidelines tell you what to do. 

    Alternates: please note the match start times listed above, and if you can be around and green at scheduled start time, you may be called upon.

    I'm hoping Captains can be around and available for consultation if needed. Ryder Cup Chatzy Room can be used for consulting captains and other players in emergency, and of course, for providing running commentary if your game isn't being streamed!

    Team ROW are leading after the week 1 series, and thus keep the honor for this second series, the Foursomes (AltShot) matches.

    Please designate one player per match (per team as backup) to capture and share scorecard screenshots in the forum thread. Note that there can be an A/S result, which will mean 1/2 point to each team.

    And, please remember to share both 9 scorecards and an exciting match report afterwards!

    Any questions, please ask here!

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    Week 3  (from Sat 10/31 to  Mon 11/9) will be 12 singles matches, played over all 18 holes at Chambers Bay with the following conditions:

    Chambers Bay :: 2-player Matchplay :: Scored :: Full 18 holes :: Uneven Lies :: 60 second timer :: all other conditions as set by the game lobby

    Please note: Matches should end at the 18th, if they haven't ended earlier. You should not play Extra Holes. If match is tied after 18, then the result is A/S, and each team wins 1/2 pt.

    The line-up for the 3rd week Singles Matches, to be completed by Mon 9 Nov, is posted here:

    This time around, it was only on the 7th try that it worked by shifting by 5 (1-6, 2-7, 3-8, 4-9, 5-10, 6-11, 7-12, 8-1, 9-2, 10-3, 11-4, 12-5), producing matches with substantial time overlap for every game.

    So, our 7th iteration worked, and below are the matches it produced:

    Please note that some players' Time Zone is flagged in ORANGE highlight in the spreadsheet Time Availability Chart. This signifies that their clocks will go back with the change to Daylight Savings on Sun 11/1 early am, and thus their 5pm will now be 4pm. I left the Time as is in the event that those matches may be played Sat 10/31 (as some may have to be). 

                   Team USA                 vs                 Team ROW

    A ::      Young46                        vs          Daskino

    B ::      Wesdogg75                    vs         Priestess

    C ::      rfpoul                              vs         johehejo

    D ::      KyRock75                      vs         FairwayRuepel68 

    E ::      frenchconnect                vs         Wontonamo

    F ::      JJ656                             vs         Saurabh08

    G ::     BigKnight                        vs         fmagnets 

    H ::     ColumbusStorm             vs         JoeMaverick

    I ::       jaycen129                      vs         Corwyn

    J ::      mmyers0                        vs         KonradOse

    K ::      fredsf                             vs         duffputt 

    L ::      Jerm65                          vs          Legaci

     

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, Sep 10 2015 4:00 PM

    TIME AVAILABILITY FORM is now available.

    Participating players (and those interested in being considered for a captain's pick or in the running to be an alternate for either team), please fill out your availability via the form at this link.

    Please fill out this form to let us know your Time Zone and your LOCAL time availability, along with preferred days to play, and I'll figure out an availability grid to help make viable pairings for the tourney.

    Captains and myself will use this information to pair you with and against players who really can play at those times, so that we can have a tourney that runs smoothly, without suffering endless delays in trying to connect people. We are dealing with 4-player games for the first 2 series of Fourball and Foursomes, so getting the Availability Data right at the start is crucial to the tourney working successfully. 

    Please provide times you can definitely play (you'll get a few days notice for each precisely scheduled game) for the weeks Sat 10/17 thru Mon 10/26, Mon 10/26 thru Mon 11/2, and Mon 11/2 thru Mon 11/9

    My hope is that we can get through each series in one week! Matches will get firmly scheduled (there will be no reliance on "seeing someone green"!), and we will expect players to keep to commitments (obviously allowing for real-life interference if that happens). Is this ambitious, oh yes!!! Is it doable, most definitely YES... with your help!!!

    Why is it so complicated?

    The idea behind filling out the detailed entry form with all the hourly radio buttons to click is that we get an accurate picture of when everyone can play, and then we are paired together with teammates, and against opponents, whose times really do overlap. Yes, it feels like a lot of work to get through the form initially, but trust me, it speeds everything up in the long run, and gives us the best chance of arranging 4-player matches that can actually work.

    Once everyone's data is in, we'll be looking for 2-3 hour blocks where people overlap. I'm hoping matches should last no more than 1.5-2hrs+ for 4 players with 60 second timer for an 18-hole match, and something similar for the singles, 2 players over 18 holes.

    Here's an example (from a prior event) of how it will work once I've organized your responses: view large pic here

    The time boxes you click on in the entry form will be conditionally formatted to show in Green for your YES's, and in Yellow for Possible times you can play. Based on the time zone and city you give, everyone's grid will be adjusted to UTC time, which are the times in the column headings... However, in the Green boxes, I've retained a note of the time, in your local time, to make it easier for you to tell when it actually is!

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    If you've been through this exercise for one of our UEL tournaments before, you'll know that it really works... and I can save you clicking through those radio buttons again. Just check what you submitted last time at one of the following links, and put a note in the Availability Form 'exceptions' field to ask that I use your info from that specific tourney.

    You can also post to the same effect in the forum thread. And feel free to let me know of minor amendments in that way too, e.g. "Same times as Tough-It-Out III, but now can't play Saturdays".

    Prior Availability Charts:

    3rd UEL Ryder Cup (Olympic)  | 2nd UEL Ryder Cup (Pinehurst)  |  1st UEL Ryder Cup (Merion)  |  Tough-It-Out III  |  Shiner's UEL Tourney @ Merion | Tough-It-Out II 

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    P.S. I want to call out a special thanks to Rac (Racoondad) for his invaluable help in creating the complex formulas for the spreadsheet for this event, and making it much less time-consuming than it used to be!

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, Sep 10 2015 4:01 PM

    Screenshot Requirements:

    We need the Scorecard! For the first series, that will be just the 9-hole scorecard, but when it comes to the AltShot in week 2, and the Singles in week 3, it would be great to have both 9s.

    I'd love to see Stats too... I find they're always fascinating, to give a picture of how everyone achieved their score. But that's not required. Please share them if it's easy though.

    And if you really want to 'tell the story' of your round, do what Russ did here with this wk1 match from an earlier tourney (click on the name or arrow beside each player on the scorecard, and you get the full details of their Fairways/GIR/Putting etc).

    Please have each Playing Pair designate one of them to be the screenshot person. That way there's a backup from the other team. Let's say it's the job of the winning team to post the scorecard, but it's also the responsibility of the screenshot person on the losing team to capture it, and keep it until the result and card have been posted here in the forum thread.

    There is no need for any in-game shots (unless you want to show off a hideous lie!), as there are no equipment restrictions, and if someone forgets to set up the match with UEL, you're all going to notice and restart!

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    Tips on how to take screenshots are here: http://www.take-a-screenshot.org/ and here.

    My recommended free hosting service is: http://postimage.org/ -- free, and no signup required) which will provide you with a 'direct link' which you paste in after clicking the 'Insert Media' button above.

  • fmagnets
    3,640 Posts
    Fri, Sep 11 2015 6:25 PM

    Corwyn:

    ... but, I do still want posts from participating players with a reconfirmation of your intent to play. 

    Yes, I'll be able to play. Thx.

  • JoeMaverick
    843 Posts
    Sun, Sep 13 2015 10:57 PM

    I will play of course :)

  • DaveDwingdale
    1,240 Posts
    Mon, Sep 14 2015 12:06 AM

    Corwyn,

    Honored that I qualified, but feel I must take a pass on this event.  (I'm busy being antisocial)

    Good luck to all.

     

     

    Dave

     

  • mmyers0
    478 Posts
    Mon, Sep 14 2015 8:14 PM

    I plan to play.

  • Wesdogg75
    2,431 Posts
    Tue, Sep 15 2015 8:28 AM

    My availability is somewhat more limited during the months of October and November but I would still like to play if my schedule doesn't cause too many problems with scheduling my matches

     

    Wes

  • duffputt
    314 Posts
    Wed, Sep 16 2015 12:20 PM

    I will play

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