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Club clashes: how do courses get assigned?

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Sat, Dec 29 2018 10:12 PM (30 replies)
  • Nancy1959
    7,377 Posts
    Sat, Dec 1 2018 1:19 PM

    Schmails3:
    That's from the best we can tell  while we still arent to their level, them getting BOP5 twice more than us and us

    That is not 100% accurate.  We got the BOP5 on Clash #5 (while your club had already gotten it twice), and then we got it on the last two Clashes when we already had way more than an insurmountable lead and it was meaningless.  Still, I do like our line-up of courses this Clash better than what TPB got.

    Nonetheless, if any CC has a right to complain about the unfair "randomness" of the courses, ours could certainly compete for that title.  We have had some Clashes where we got the exact same course (the hardest by far of the four courses that others were getting) for nine straight 4-hour Clashes!  Talk about boring (and unfair)!

    I hate the whole "random" thing about the course selection.  I have always thought that it would make a lot more sense for WGT to set it up where everyone is playing the same courses in each four+ hour window of time.  It seems to me that it would be easy for them to set it up that way, and it would certainly make it more enjoyable (and more fair to all clubs) for each and every Clash.

  • Schmails3
    173 Posts
    Sat, Dec 1 2018 2:05 PM

    Like I said in my message the best we could tell and by no means was my message a complaint or excuse, I said we didnt compete well this time.  The message was to support that the randomness doesnt make for a fair competition.  I would guess all clubs have benefitted and been hurt by the "randomness" but i would think there would be a way to make it more even every clash. 

    And weve all had bad course selections in the past like you've said.  I remember one clash we had Merion 6 times on 13 greens.  Talk about brutal and no fun at all. 

  • Tacoma802
    400 Posts
    Sat, Dec 1 2018 3:00 PM

    I would like to start by congratulating The Georgian on yet another decisive clash victory regardless of how advantageous the course selection through which it was earned.

    Now, on to the business at hand. As you all can see we, at The Penalty Box, have discussed this matter of clash course selection at length within our club. I personally have written to members@worldgolftour.com twice in the past proposing a course selection system that many of us believe would truly create a fair and honest competition in the club vs club clash event. The proposal is exactly as Williams and Nancy have outlined above. WGT selects 6 different 9 hole tracks and rotates through these 6 tracks every 4 hours so each is used twice throughout the duration of the event. Every club that enters into a head to head matchup within each four hour window plays the same course. This is the ONLY way to ensure a completely level playing field in this competition. This also begs the questions; 1. How many messages has WGT received with this same proposal? and 2. Why have they not yet made this change?

    I am certainly not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination but I have a hard time believing WGT lacks the resources/ability to write the code to accommodate this adjustment. Is it possible that WGT prefers to keep the course selection “random” just in case they feel the need to manipulate the competition? I am certainly not a conspiracist either but what other possible explanation would prevent WGT from adopting an obvious change to level the playing field in their longest tenured and most prolific club vs club competition?

    Lastly, what is it going to take for them to recognize the issue at hand and make the proper adjustments? I can’t help but think a boycott of the club vs club clash across a number of country clubs would hit their profit margin hard enough to initiate change. I would venture to guess thousands of cc passes and hundreds of balls are used by big clubs in the 48 hour event. WGT is most likely already seeing a massive drop in the use of cc passes and balls since eradicating the “XP Exploit” so an even further drop in the consumption of these commodities in the clash would probably have their accountants trembling in their trousers with the additional drop in revenue.

  • DonCaron
    5,502 Posts
    Sat, Dec 1 2018 3:54 PM

    Totally agree with you people. Everyone should play the same courses, at the same time.

    I don't know what effect it would have on the servers, but 1 club getting Bo5's and my club getting Bandon wont work and is not fair.

  • callaghan159
    6,420 Posts
    Sat, Dec 1 2018 4:17 PM

    Nancy1959:
     I have always thought that it would make a lot more sense for WGT to set it up where everyone is playing the same courses in each four+ hour window of time.


    Best idea I have read in a long time.

  • callaghan159
    6,420 Posts
    Sat, Dec 1 2018 4:20 PM

    Tacoma802:
    I can’t help but think a boycott of the club vs club clash across a number of country clubs would hit their profit margin hard enough to initiate change.


    Have read this mentioned a number of times the last  6 months and nothing has happened yet. Can't imagine enough clubs would agree to do this and it might take more than 1 clash for it to have any impact on the bottom line of WGT.

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Mon, Dec 3 2018 3:24 AM

    DonCaron:

    Totally agree with you people. Everyone should play the same courses, at the same time.

    I don't know what effect it would have on the servers, but 1 club getting Bo5's and my club getting Bandon wont work and is not fair.

    Yep.  Totally agree with that.  

  • fireman33
    2,692 Posts
    Mon, Dec 3 2018 8:43 AM

    Just wait and see how much the xp glitch cost them. It may take another month for them to realize the impact of the glitch being gone. Think about it a player trying to move up to get that driver he always wanted but could not have.

    1. balls used each day (they played more rounds than now). 2. they bought more passes than they do now. 3. the sale from the clubs because they made it to the tier that allowed them that driver, 3 wood, putter or set of irons. That's 3 hits to the bottom line on sales times the number of players that were trying to get to point A. Those sales are lost.

    Now back to the the clash. We all know there are more eagles and birdies made on the par 5's compared to a Bandon. Go figure the points gained over a par 5 vs a par 3

    Wake up and smell the coffee.......The players are trying to tell you something wgt. 

     

  • DonCaron
    5,502 Posts
    Mon, Dec 3 2018 2:27 PM
    fireman33:
    Just wait and see how much the xp glitch cost them. It may take another month for them to realize the impact of the glitch being gone. Think about it a player trying to move up to get that driver he always wanted but could not have.
    Spot on. I noticed they reduced our Superpasses so we would buy more passes also.
  • Nancy1959
    7,377 Posts
    Tue, Dec 4 2018 1:45 AM

    fireman33:
    Just wait and see how much the xp glitch cost them.

    Just me alone is costing them about 1/3 of what Champion or Icon are being paid, LOL.  I'm not complaining at all.  I'm glad.

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