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Yardage table for irons & cally's

Sat, Jun 16 2012 5:26 PM (44 replies)
  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 6:48 AM

     

    Unless you've worked it out yourself, here's a rough guide for burners & R11's with extra yardages' due to standard cally's, and how they are with spin:

    Club                            xtra yardage  with cally's  (Z)              with full backspin

    125 Pw                                131                                                122 (123 sometimes)

    135                                        141                                               132 

    145                                         152                                              142 

    160                                         168                                               157

    175                                          185                                               172

    190                                           200                                               187

    205                                           215                                                203

    220                                           235 (some holes its shorter)   217

    R11's

    120                                         125 if your lucky                            116

    135                                          140 if your lucky                            131

    150                                           157                                                 146

    165                                           173                                                 161

    180                                           189                                                 176

    195                                            205                                                 191

    210                                             222                                                 206

    225                                             235/240                                         221

    These are all from fairway, you need to add a couple of yards distance wise from the tee

    By messing around with half back spin you can also get your clubs i.e 190 iron will be 195 with half back spin.  Just takes time to understand what effect half spin has on certain irons. If you had 190 yard approach, full back spin on 190 iron is 187 yards, but if you give say a bit less back spin than full, you can get the iron to be 190 yards.  (al this is with standard cally's) different table al together for (S) cally's

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 6:50 AM

    Where did you amass these numbers and what ball did you use? How did you account for wind? Even low winds have some affect going in certain directions. It looks like you're trying to force consistency on the R11's by using the exact same number for your full bs numbers. It isn't this way with the Callaway (s) ball.

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 7:50 AM

    YankeeJim:

    Where did you amass these numbers and what ball did you use? How did you account for wind? Even low winds have some affect going in certain directions. It looks like you're trying to force consistency on the R11's by using the exact same number for your full bs numbers. It isn't this way with the Callaway (s) ball.

    I put out a table for the people who struggle with the standard callaways Z.not S ( i would subtract a few more yards for S) knowing the extra yardages you get (its there if you read it right),  negative comments (as usual) obviously its calculated with no wind, and its up to you to add or subtract wind what ever direction.

    And these yardages are always constant, the only thing that differs them is wind! if i have 10 mph headwind wind for 175 iron i would add 7 yards per 10 mph, 20 mph i add 14.  190 to 205 iron i add 10 yards per 10 mph, 125 pw i add 5 yards 135 to 145 i add 6.  and so on

     

  • birdwell
    561 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 8:04 AM

    He did say "rough guide" Jim.

     

    relax guys.

    But jim is exactly right in that you cannot try to force consistency with the full BS numbers - especially with the S ball in the wind

     

  • TheAceFactor
    2,147 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 8:27 AM

    chrisironbones  11/6/11

     For example if i'm having a deviation free round, missing ding slightly will still get me close, but if i'm getting one of those deviation filled rounds like i just did, my 135 yard iron only went 134 yards (in 6 mph tailwind), instead of the 142+ yards i would expect with the callaways, and on par 3, when i had normal round, missed ding wouldn't make no difference and i would expect to be within 4 yards, but with deviation effected round the same fraction of missed ding sends me 12 yards right (although it was opposite to wind)

    chrisironsbones:
    And these yardages are always constant, the only thing that differs them is wind!
    Umm ,  just wondering....was your yardage table based on "Deviation free" rounds or "Deviation filled" rounds  ?

                                                                                                                                Ace

  • dandaley
    83 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 8:39 AM

    Thanks for taking your time to make up this rough guide and then sharing with us all. I know nothing in WGT is an exact science.  I have been struggling with the game lately and hopefully your guide will help not only in estimating club yardages but also with the headwind information. I for one appreciate you doing this and if it even helps save one stroke off my game it is well worth trying. IMO sharing this type of information to the WGT community is much more productive than most stuff on these forums that bash WGT and others, This is a great GAME, and there are some great people here playing.  Again, Thanks for sharing.

     

    Happy Golfing!

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 11:14 AM

    You're missing the intent, Chris. There is nothing negative about wanting to know how you validated your results. For starters, you can't find nonexistent winds-they're always there in some fashion and do make a difference. How did you allow for this?  Where did you do your testing? On all the courses, BPB back 9 fairways, Kia front 9? Or is this a compilation of your thousands of rounds?

    Do not read anything into this other than me wanting to know how you arrived at these numbers. Test results are only as good as the conditions you make them in and the way this game plays this is a very large part of your chart. I just wanted to know how you took all of that into account.

  • TheAceFactor
    2,147 Posts
    Mon, Nov 14 2011 3:54 PM

    YankeeJim:
    I just wanted to know how you took all of that into account.
     Consistent statements from one week/day to the next would help me to, at the very least consider it.      (It being "the table.")   I am in no way attempting to be negative toward you either chris , but one week your hating on WGT or their clubs. The next week your loving them. Bug logs almost daily with concerns of inconsistency with clubs , winds , green speeds , yardages,  accusations of WGT manipulating club performance , etc.  Then I see a table of yardages that we / I am supposed to take as being consistent ? I hope you and others understand my reasoning in my original reply as well as this one.   

     

                                                                                                                            Ace

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Tue, Nov 15 2011 3:36 AM

    YankeeJim:

    You're missing the intent, Chris. There is nothing negative about wanting to know how you validated your results. For starters, you can't find nonexistent winds-they're always there in some fashion and do make a difference. How did you allow for this?  Where did you do your testing? On all the courses, BPB back 9 fairways, Kia front 9? Or is this a compilation of your thousands of rounds?

    Do not read anything into this other than me wanting to know how you arrived at these numbers. Test results are only as good as the conditions you make them in and the way this game plays this is a very large part of your chart. I just wanted to know how you took all of that into account.

    Obvioulsy if you get deviation effected rounds, your clubs wil come up long or short any way, but the guide helps a lot for example cabo #17 which is 183 yards, so you could either hit your 175 yard iron a touch under full power or underhit your 190 iron with full backspin) What has helped me is that i know exactly on the meter how much to deduct per 5 yards.  The extra yardages you get and the back spin table i use on every hole on the game, obviously some holes are going to be different elevation wise and i add or subtract yardages to take this into consideration, and some holes like St Andrews #15 have a lot of roll on the green and although you might have 160 yard approach, i would still under hit the shot to factor in the roll you get.  But its got to the stage now i've played the holes so many times i know what holes to lay off the power a touch or to give a bit more than needed (R. St. G #5 for example) but i will always use my table(in my head) as a rough guide to knowing what shot to use and where 

    The guide above was for no wind, you have to factor in the wind yourself, this is what i use and it seems pretty bang on most of the time, for headwind & tailwind.  

    for Pw 120 or 125 yards add/subtract 5 yards per 10 mph wind,(If wind is say 17 mph headwind i would add 7 yards)

    for 130 to 145 irons add/subtract 6 yards per 10 mph wind

    for 150 to 175 add/subtract 7 yards per 10 mph wind

    175 to 190 add/subtract 8 yards per 10 mph wind

    190 to 210 add/subtract 10 yards per 10 mph wind

    210 to 225 add/subtract 11 or 12 yards per 10 mph wind

    This is just a rough guide which i stick to all the time, and usually land pretty close most of the time on (good rounds within 2 yards)

    If you have say 20 mph south westerly, and a 200 yard approach, what i usually do is work out the wind as if it was headwind, so i would add extra 20 yards to shot, but because it is SW and not headwind, i would either divide the 20 yards extra i've added by half, or add a couple of yards extra onto the 10 yards so it would be 13 or 14 yards extra. depending on what side of south weserly the wind was (was it more southerly or more westerly) Hope i'm not too confusing.lol

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Tue, Nov 15 2011 4:18 AM

    TheAceFactor:

    YankeeJim:
    I just wanted to know how you took all of that into account.
     Consistent statements from one week/day to the next would help me to, at the very least consider it.      (It being "the table.")   I am in no way attempting to be negative toward you either chris , but one week your hating on WGT or their clubs. The next week your loving them. Bug logs almost daily with concerns of inconsistency with clubs , winds , green speeds , yardages,  accusations of WGT manipulating club performance , etc.  Then I see a table of yardages that we / I am supposed to take as being consistent ? I hope you and others understand my reasoning in my original reply as well as this one.   

     

                                                                                                                            Ace

    Obviously deviation will make some shots come up short or not play right, it happens to us all, but the table i use all the time, and always refer to it in my head when working out what shot to use.

    ACE & YANKEE, you only have to see the amount of ready go's i'm winning lately to see the yardage's in the table work for me, that's all......but i wrote it down for all the people i saw in different posts who were not sure about the yardages with standard callaway (Z).  Its just a base to work from when you then add/subtract for wind & elevation etc....

    If you don't like the table or what ever you only have to ignore it, and move on to another post to find your daily post writing fix..:)

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