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Re: Easy for Pros hard for the Amateur

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Sat, Nov 8 2014 11:30 AM (7 replies)
  • henrygeorgie123
    2 Posts
    Mon, Nov 3 2014 3:42 PM

    Seems that WGT have taken the attitude that pin placement should be as difficult as possible. In the tournaments the pros are playing these days it is a case of bend over backwards to make the game look easy. WGT need to adopt that attitude with pin placement in their games.

     

  • WGTdbloshoe
    2,840 Posts
    Tue, Nov 4 2014 11:49 AM

    henrygeorgie123:

    Seems that WGT have taken the attitude that pin placement should be as difficult as possible. In the tournaments the pros are playing these days it is a case of bend over backwards to make the game look easy. WGT need to adopt that attitude with pin placement in their games.

     

    Pin placements are based on a number of variables.   For US Open courses we try to get them as close as possible to what the Pros are playing that week.  This is try and keep the game real looking.  Also fun to watch on tv someone shooting at a pin placement you know.

     

    - WGTdbloshoe

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Tue, Nov 4 2014 12:11 PM

    WGTdbloshoe:
    For US Open courses we try to get them as close as possible to what the Pros are playing that week.

    Umm are you saying if we play the same course for four days we will get new pin positions each day? :))

    Please say yes DB - now that would be nice!

  • ApexPC
    3,164 Posts
    Tue, Nov 4 2014 1:05 PM

    alanti:

    WGTdbloshoe:
    For US Open courses we try to get them as close as possible to what the Pros are playing that week.

    Umm are you saying if we play the same course for four days we will get new pin positions each day? :))

    It says what it says.

    WGT has to photograph the hole placements 7 or 8 months before the Open actually happens. I suspect having more than 2 hole placements substantially increases the total number of photographs WGT would have to make of all 18 of a venues greens. 

    I also suspect WGT is subject to a time limit on getting all the needed photographs made.

    Don't forget that added photo post process prep and programming time extra hole placements would require.

     

  • alosso
    21,072 Posts
    Tue, Nov 4 2014 1:18 PM

    ApexPC:
    I suspect having more than 2 hole placements substantially increases the total number of photographs WGT would have to make of all 18 of a venues greens. 

    +1

    Nevertheless, it stays ominous why some old courses like RSG have only one pin set published.

  • alosso
    21,072 Posts
    Tue, Nov 4 2014 1:36 PM

    WGTdbloshoe:
    Pin placements are based on a number of variables.   For US Open courses we try to get them as close as possible to what the Pros are playing that week.  This is try and keep the game real looking.  Also fun to watch on tv someone shooting at a pin placement you know.

    Thank you for confirmation of my sentiments of your intentions.

    Alas, in the light of this alleged closeness to reality, why are two blatant and obvious errors deliberately not corrected?

    - OLY #2, scorecard lengths,

    - PIN #4, length by far off the USO settings.

    AFAIS, the company easily sacrifices "real looks" for their convenience and costs.

    IMHO, greed is too deep into your company politics :(

  • dedBuNNy
    1,919 Posts
    Wed, Nov 5 2014 4:46 AM

    It says what it says.

     

    WGT has to photograph the hole placements 7 or 8 months before the Open actually happens. I suspect having more than 2 hole placements substantially increases the total number of photographs WGT would have to make of all 18 of a venues greens. 

    I also suspect WGT is subject to a time limit on getting all the needed photographs made.

    Don't forget that added photo post process prep and programming time extra hole placements would require.

    Unless WGT's graphic's people are completely inept, and there's a good case for that, that's not even remotely how that's done, or rather should be done.

    WGT doesn't, well should not, have to photograph pin placements, they can set the pins where ever they want. The photographs are digitally 'mapped', WGT can drop pins where they want them, the visual representation of the hole/pin is just that. 

    The assertion that WGT is out there spending thousands on photographic services before major's so that 'we' get a realistic game is laughable, because a) it's them and b) it's not required. The only time WGT would need to 'shoot' greens or anything else course related is if it was altered by the CC, as in landscaped n redesigned. Once that green is shot they can drop in elements as they see fit. 

     

    Speaking of greens, if WGT wanted to actually invest in something to make the game a little more realistic they should tighten the putting grid. Supposedly having the game 'mapped to with 2"' I think is what they say, and having a putting grid that is so laughably loose and full of gaps is ridiculous.  Again, just one example of how arcade-like this game is. 

  • derekortt
    669 Posts
    Sat, Nov 8 2014 11:30 AM

    complaining about the hole locations when one has played a total of TWO ranked rounds? SMH

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