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Re: Equipment availability should be based on tier, not level.

Mon, Feb 16 2015 9:52 AM (47 replies)
  • hpurey
    11,505 Posts
    Fri, Feb 13 2015 1:58 PM

    DrSlick:

    hpurey:

     Things would be worse, since the complaint of not being able to compete 

     

    HP/all - everyone automatically defaults to "can't compete" as the gripe from players wanting better clubs and it gets frustrating to hear.

    I only went with "can't compete" cuz that's the one that stands out the most for me.  I can't compete any better with the top equipment than when I had the R11s driver and R11 irons playing on the TM tees.  :)

     

     

  • DrSlick
    142 Posts
    Sat, Feb 14 2015 1:33 PM

    hpurey:

    DrSlick:

    hpurey:

     Things would be worse, since the complaint of not being able to compete 

     

    HP/all - everyone automatically defaults to "can't compete" as the gripe from players wanting better clubs and it gets frustrating to hear.

    I only went with "can't compete" cuz that's the one that stands out the most for me.  I can't compete any better with the top equipment than when I had the R11s driver and R11 irons playing on the TM tees.  :)

     

     

     

    Your failure to compete is clearly the case of those yellow balls - the drag  coefficient is too much causing all or any of your ills - it is certainly not the upper level clubs you have =)

     

  • ISH47
    1,963 Posts
    Sat, Feb 14 2015 5:16 PM

    What's crazy to me about this whole thing are the people saying "you don't need better clubs, you have the R11's!" That's funny coming from someone with all the the latest, greatest clubs in their own bag..

    Practice what you preach..   :)

  • lee22sharon
    1,419 Posts
    Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:25 PM

    ISH47:

    What's crazy to me about this whole thing are the people saying "you don't need better clubs, you have the R11's!" That's funny coming from someone with all the the latest, greatest clubs in their own bag..

    Practice what you preach..   :)

    who are you speaking to?  not me i hope...your nickle.

     

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Sun, Feb 15 2015 6:59 PM

    ISH47:
    What's crazy to me about this whole thing are the people saying "you don't need better clubs, you have the R11's!"

    I am lucky enough to have the Level 97 Nikes - they are very good clubs. But lately I reverted back to the Level 90 R11's (IMHO the first real game changers iron wise on WGT). Scoring wise and in terms of attributes, there is virtually no difference, apart from a faster meter (went back to the slower meter Cally to try to off set this).

    The real difference in a good round, an average round and a bad round is invariably my putting. If I drive 280 -320 yards, my approach still ends up a similar distance to the pin - I can use the G20's and still approach is similar (perhaps I allow more for roll and some elevated holes it will run through. But R11's and Nikes similar result.

    So the main key is where to play the approach to and your putting.

    The tools are there to score well, if you learn your clubs well - yes it is a slight disadvantage playing with inferior clubs but it is not impossible. It still does not make it right, but this will not change.

  • ISH47
    1,963 Posts
    Sun, Feb 15 2015 7:46 PM

    I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of someone telling you that don't need a certain set of clubs when they're using the same set. If you don't need them, why in the hell do they have them?

    It's not about need.. it's about want.

    All this debate about which clubs are better is stupid anyway.. If I've got a set of clubs with a whole dot slower meter and a half dot more precision, that's a better club.. no doubt about it.

    Yes, you can score as well with the R11's or the Nike 85's..  But the Vapor's are still a better club. So are the 97's.

    How would you feel if you walked in a RL Pro Shop and picked out a new set of irons and the owner asked you how long you'd been playing golf?  You tell him and he says you can't buy those because you don't have enough experience.

    I don't like the fact that in the VT you can't play with the same clubs everyone else in your tier does.. That's not realism.  I won't use the word fair because not everyone can play in an internet cafe where every pc has a dodgy copy of Windows and CE pre-installed either.

    All that being said, I'm happy with the clubs I have.. but I do have an opinion on the matter.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Mon, Feb 16 2015 2:24 AM

    I don't believe these super high levels were ever contemplated in anything approaching an original plan.

    Personally of I were new tomorrow, and I got to say TM lets say L50  XP 55215, and started to look at the game a bit more, and found out L100 (top irons) came in at a cool XP 2,268,312, hmmm what to what to do? 

    Been a real trudge to L50 I would be thinking, and do I want that 4.5 times trudge, and possibly more by then?  Reality is I would probably looked at things before that, but kept it conservative.

    I am guessing WGTs view is the vast majority do not ever look at things like that, and just treat it as a casual game.  That's why we get nonsense like the CC Event which is their endeavour to appeal to the broadest spectrum.  leave aside arguments over good or bad that's the point.

    L90 on is probably showing to be too small an area to really target resource to grow it, simple as that.  

    All that said the ? remains is XPs 1,800,000 (rounded) a sensible gap between L90 and L100.  Part of the competing the mental side after all.

    Personally I think that's a rotten carrot if one at all, and more a levels system not designed to work that far.  IMO they need to at least create other routes for keen players to get things moving a bit sooner / hang around in CCs but it is WGTs game and their resources..........Can see how that wait sucks if you are a genuine player keen to try and compete with the big gun, and that's just understandable human nature.........

    EDIT: Don't forget there are many ways to get the pro shop open a bit earlier.  L85 / 90 irons etc are way loads to get TL (even properly), and way loads to play courses real well.  In my view you need to be more than an orange tee TL to even care, and if some mark was put down (not elite but tough enough) that allowed the pro shop open a bit earlier if you hit that mark (real tees SP) then great carrot - would not matter to anyone else as clubs won't be that difference anyway.  If it were not for time and scared to make a change (program wise) it's a no brainer IMO.

  • hpurey
    11,505 Posts
    Mon, Feb 16 2015 9:52 AM

    DrSlick:
    Your failure to compete is clearly the case of those yellow balls - the drag  coefficient is too much causing all or any of your ills - it is certainly not the upper level clubs you have =)

     

    LOL,  I couldn't compete with the white balls, but I now enjoy it while being able to play my yellows.  :)

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