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Equipment availability should be based on tier, not level.

• fstmdmslwbrn 3 Posts

  Tue, Feb 10 2015 5:14 PM

  I am finding myself increasingly frustrated as a lower level legend, due to the driver distance advantage available to my higher-level opponents. I am regularly 10 yds or more behind my opponents, and thus am hitting a club or two more on every hole. 

  Today I noticed that WGT has raised the level required for a 287 yd driver up to 96, discontinuing the Callaway that was available to level 93'rs. This means that instead of being able to compete fairly in 2 or 3 months, now I am looking at 6 or 7 or 8.

  Or never, frankly. I don't think it is fair to expect me to keep buying balls and buying credits if I am playing a game I have no hope of winning.  It's not like I can't shoot 30 because I can, and I've won plenty of skins and matches. But in the long run the disadvantage off the tee is grinding me down. 

  Any thoughts?

• hpurey 11,505 Posts

  Tue, Feb 10 2015 7:22 PM

  Tier based equipment is how it once was.  Was a pain for some to tier up with crap equipment to be able to spend any good money.

   

   

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Tue, Feb 10 2015 8:09 PM

  fstmdmslwbrn:

  I don't think it is fair to expect me to keep buying balls and buying credits if I am playing a game I have no hope of winning.

  My two Pfennig, in all friendlyness:

  Our grind is their gospel - by playing, we accept it. If you want a change, don't expect them to change but be the change: Accept the situation or take your consequences.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Tue, Feb 10 2015 8:09 PM

  If you were a L93 TL trying to compete from real tees against the best I would see your point fully.  Up to WGT I know to decide the losing players at whatever point when they realise v whatever carrot they hope is there on that one.

  A L91 Legend though one look at the leaderboards, and L91 shows really not that low level at all Legend wise.  Sorry but I don't see the complaint here at all bearing in mind what others are shooting great with even in RGs in Legend tier.

   

• jayw4862 3,364 Posts

  Tue, Feb 10 2015 8:17 PM

  I made Legend at level 79 and thought of giving up altogether. I'm glad I didn't because I used that long road to TL and higher levels to learn some things. I made TL at level 88 and was again frustrated. You're level 91, and the 287 drivers are not that big a difference in the 89 Sldyr (?) I had. A difference? Yes. A game changer? No way. 

  I do agree that equipment should be tier-based, but that's not a money-maker. Equipment based on levels does 2 things, it makes money from those chasing the higher levels for upgrades (non-quitters), and it makes money from the restarts (quitters). Win-win for WGT.

• SweetiePie 4,925 Posts

  Wed, Feb 11 2015 5:10 AM

  fstmdmslwbrn:

  This means that instead of being able to compete fairly in 2 or 3 months, now I am looking at 6 or 7 or 8.

  The availability of clubs you want to buy but can't is a brain teaser. It could be worse in reverse....look at poor Yoban. A L-135 ! Nothing to buy !

• MichaelStroke 2,066 Posts

  Wed, Feb 11 2015 6:55 AM

  Skill will beat out gear in most every situation.

  The only games that are unwinnable are against guys that are as good/better than you, and with better gear.

  Just be glad that you had enough game to be legend as early as you did.

• DrSlick 142 Posts

  Wed, Feb 11 2015 7:13 AM

  MichaelStroke:

  The only games that are unwinnable are against guys that are as good/better than you, and with better gear.

   

  Michael - exactly and that is what makes this game so frustrating when they try to portray themselves as making it as realistic as possible.

  We all know that with certain courses and certain winds - 10 yards longer or 10 yards shorter can make the difference between par and birdie easily (reaching green, clearing hazards). 

  Or, from a financial standpoint - if I had the L97 or L100 irons I would certainly be able to shoot the scores I do now with the 300c Cally balls which are just a bit too fast with the R11s to shoot consistently good scores. I can shoot good scores with them, just not as consistent as I can with the 600c max. 

  To the OP - I have given up hope about WGT caring and am just plugging along. If another game comes along that can compete with this game on equal terms, I am pretty positive a lot of my friends would jump ship. Currently, there isn't another game that can compete with WGT yet. 

   

• Anterious 4 Posts

  Wed, Feb 11 2015 9:28 AM

  I have a couple of thoughts. I am a lvl 64 Master, and I have played people who are lvl 95+. I have even had the benefit of beating two of them, and they drove the ball easily 10-15 yards further than I did. I was a player who was so worried about distance, and i had a member of my club (ECGA shout out) encourage me to think more about control than distance covered. True, in some cases being able to hit the ball further is beneficial, but let me give an example:

  Oakmont's 12th hole is about 585 yards in length. I have an opponent who drives the ball 301 yards, where I can only drive it 286, a difference of 15 yards. Their second shot, leaving them 284 yards to the hole, MAY carry them on to the green (depending on wind and elevation, of course) and I WILL have to lay up (299 yards remaining.. However, IF their second shot carries to the green, and they are going for max distance, there is a small chance it will not roll beyond the hole or even within 15-20 feet of the hole, which leaves them a more difficult putt. My second shot will carry about 245 yards, leaving me with 54 yards to the hole. Their third shot (let's say they are putting now) rolls to within 2 feet of the hole. My third shot, a 60 degree wedge, with control and enough backspin, lands within 2-3 feet of the hole. At this point, both of us are now putting for birdie, and we both walk away happy. I, however, come out on the better end because I demonstrated patience in the matter and took what the course gave me.

  If you take what the course gives you and remember you are competing against the course and yourself, then scores improve, at least from my experience that is the case. Golf is a game of patience, and believe me, mine has been tested many times, both on WGT and at my home courses.

• DrSlick 142 Posts

  Wed, Feb 11 2015 1:07 PM

  Ant:

  You are correct in that when you have clubs that carry less and stop less you really have to know course management. It helps and it helps a lot. 

  But as Michael said, when you are playing a player with same or better skills they can be beat, but it is tough - winning or losing an event or MP may come down to 1 stroke. This is especially true in 9-hole MPs and such. Or, at the least, the player with the lesser equipment has LESS margin of error in their game play. 

  So, for instance our ECGA home course Kia #2 - if I can get to the green in 2 shots against a wind, which I can not currently with my equipment, and have a guaranteed birdie if not a realistic eagle putt - the match could be over at that point with players playing equally. 

  Most of us are not arguing becoming a better course manager and becoming a better putter or knowing the courses - it is just the simple principle that WGT purports realistic golf simulation, but puts profits over fair play (in respect to equal equipment in respective tiers). 

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