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Re: Putting stats

• zagraniczniak 1,984 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 1:16 AM

   

  Sam,

  Let me try again.

  Suppose I take 36 putts in a round and make 18 of them. They are made from the following distances: 1-5 feet, 9; 6-10 feet, 6; 10-25 feet, 2; 25-50 feet, 1.

  Are you saying it is like this:

  1-5 feet = 9/36 = 25%

  6-10 feet = 6/36 = 16.7%

  10-25 feet = 2/36 = 6.5%

  25-50 feet = 1/36 = 2.8%

  50+ feet = 0/36 = 0%

  Thus the total of these figures - and the overall accuracy - is 50% (excluding rounding errors).

  Is this correct?

  If so, crucially, what this does not tell me is how many I attempted from each distance, and thus it does not tell me how accurate I am at each distance. Maybe I only attempted 9 putts from 1-5 feet, so my accuracy in that range is actually 100%. Maybe even all of the unsuccessful attempts were from 50+ feet (the statistics do not say), and inside 50 feet I make 100% of my putts.

  Yes?

   

   

• zagraniczniak 1,984 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 1:24 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  Despite claims by numerous other players that wind affects putts, I do not adjust for wind when putting.

  I have read where golfers who play links courses with heavy wind in real life claim that the wind really does have a significant effect on their putts. Whether this has ever been verified I have no idea. I agree that in WGT the wind does not seem to affect putting, and personally I do not make any allowance for wind when putting.

• Puffling 4 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 5:18 AM

  Yep zagraniczniak, that is exactly right.

  Under this system, ideally you want to get your percentages up in the higher distances - but even then this will still lead to misleading interpretations. If your percentage putts in the 25-50 feet category starts to rise, your putting is improving - but equally your approaches are probably getting worse! 

  I have to say I find it a really annoying method of calculation - I want to know how accurate I am from each distance, but sadly there is no way of knowing!

  I would suggest new stats, from 0-3.9 ft (the tap-ins) then 4-7.9 ft (the ones you need to be holing to score well), then 8-15 ft.

  They'll never change it though I guess!

  And agreed - I don't make allowance for the wind when putting. 

• sixkiller 1,147 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 7:40 AM

  I have noticed that when playing "Heavy" winds on St. Andrews especially, that longer putts, say over 15ft., with a crosswind, that if you miss, 90% of the time it will be on the downwind side of cup. Coincidence?

   

• zagraniczniak 1,984 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 8:02 AM

  sixkiller:

  I have noticed that when playing "Heavy" winds on St. Andrews especially, that longer putts, say over 15ft., with a crosswind, that if you miss, 90% of the time it will be on the downwind side of cup. Coincidence?

  That is worth watching. Those really long putts tend to have so much total break, sometimes going in a couple of different directions, that it would be hard to gauge. Maybe check the 9th green, where sometimes the putt appears flat as a pancake?

   

• MioKontic 4,643 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 8:17 AM

  Having played a lot of links courses I can safely say that wind does affect putts.  But I also agree that it has no effect in WGT.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 10:23 AM

  zagraniczniak:

  CharlemagneRH:

  Despite claims by numerous other players that wind affects putts, I do not adjust for wind when putting.

  I have read where golfers who play links courses with heavy wind in real life claim that the wind really does have a significant effect on their putts. Whether this has ever been verified I have no idea. I agree that in WGT the wind does not seem to affect putting, and personally I do not make any allowance for wind when putting.

  Definitely does have an effect in real life.

• pricehcs 288 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 12:36 PM

  I've seen my putts affected directly by the wind only on high wind STA rounds, but the effect is clear and noticable - straight putts dinged (STA 9, both pins, STA 12 new pin, STA 15 new pin) miss by a full cup in a crosswind from 10 ft.  Any winds below ~22mph - agree with Charlemagne, don't see a noticable impact or a need to adjust.

• borntobesting 9,680 Posts

  Sat, Feb 5 2011 1:27 PM

  In real life it is more the putter than the putt that is affected by the high winds. It is harder to keep a stable base in high winds.