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Re: How does this happen?

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Jan 30 2016 11:27 AM

  ZioMio:

  YankeeJim:

  Suck it up and move on

  ... but it's easier to complain Jim :-(

  LOL. Don't be getting me in trouble here, Z. I ain't mocking the guy or picking on him, that statement applies to everybody that gets one of those POS deviations.  ;-)

• DaveDwingdale 1,240 Posts

  Sat, Jan 30 2016 12:15 PM

  Hey, Robbo it just seems to me like you got the sideways version of the "Super Duper" WTF shot.  It seems to be a way long or short shot more frequently than to the side, but certainly possible sideways as well.

   Not sure how someone could play a few thousand rounds and never have gotten one, but I guess that's possible too.

  And sometimes you just need to rant.

   

  In the end, though, it is just a game.

   

  Dave

• Robbo81303 417 Posts

  Sun, Jan 31 2016 5:26 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Robbo81303:

  Why?

  Because it indicates you think there's some manipulation going on.

  Duh

  YankeeJim:

  I'm about as regular as you can get in the forums

  Wow!   Hope ya didn't hurt yourself with that pat on the back.

  YankeeJim:

  I see the same thing and not once have I ever felt my game was manipulated. I can explain every mistake I make, in hindsight, including extreme deviations like the one you're complaining about. 

  Really!  What would you have learned from this happening?  What would you do differently to keep it from happening again??

  DaveDwingdale:

  Hey, Robbo it just seems to me like you got the sideways version of the "Super Duper" WTF shot.  It seems to be a way long or short shot more frequently than to the side, but certainly possible sideways as well.

   Not sure how someone could play a few thousand rounds and never have gotten one, but I guess that's possible too.

  And sometimes you just need to rant.

   

  In the end, though, it is just a game.

  Thanks Dave.  Consider yourself fortunate.  I've lost count of the number of times I've seen this but its well north of 50.  This is just the most egregious example I can recall, given the wind, elevation drop, and especially the club used - the otherwise vice-less Vapor.....and a mid-iron at that!

  For the first year-and-a-half I played this game, every 3rd or 4th approach shot I made to the back pin at BPB #6 inexplicably landed 20 yards left of the hole, regardless of wind, lie, etc, etc.  Happened at least 10-15 times.  Never saw anything like that at any other course / pin, just that one.  I searched the forums for reports of irregularities on that pin and found none.  I could have started a post here but we all know where that would've gone.  My credibility for making such an accusation would've been questioned (mocked?) because my distance-to-pin average was 18 ft, along with recommendations to acquire a better set of wedges.  Perhaps useful advice, but irrelevant for the problem at hand.  Why bother?

  But this latest instance was bad.  Really, really bad.  Something needed to be said.  Points were made and explained.  My two cents.  Thanks for your time.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Jan 31 2016 8:39 AM

  Robbo81303:

  YankeeJim:

  I see the same thing and not once have I ever felt my game was manipulated. I can explain every mistake I make, in hindsight, including extreme deviations like the one you're complaining about. 

  Really!  What would you have learned from this happening?  What would you do differently to keep it from happening again??

  I mostly agree with what Jim said. Only twice was I not able to explain it to a mistake I've made.  (Both times were in VUSO qualifying rounds where all I needed was a par on the last hole at Congo or a birdie with 3 holes to play on Chambers Bay. But that's a whole 'nother thread)  Otherwise 99.9% of the time it was my mistake.

  "What would you have learned from this happening?"  I've done some really dumb things!  Like:

  • Adjusting my aim for a left to right xwind when it was really a right to left xwind!
  • Aiming from the fairway view and not noticing the aim marker climb the hill from 172yds to 31yds.  A 10 xwind adjustment at the pin turns into a 20 xwind adjustment at 31yds.

  What would you do differently to keep it from happening again??

  Even though I know and try to double check the wind and not move the aim from the fairway on shots with large elevation changes.....stupid is as stupid does.  I'm on autopilot sometimes and forget.  Means I'm human and make mistakes.

  I'm not saying you did either of these!  But a replay would answer the xwind possibility.  But a video of the shot is needed on the aim marker possibility.  I don't know when your shot was taken, but I must commend you on recalling all the details of that shot.  I must get in a daze sometimes because I'm writing my notes on my last shot and at times can't remember all the details.  Here's Oak # 1 screenshots.  Trying to adjust the aim from fairway view as soon as I moved the aimer, it climbs the hill up to 31 yards.

  

  

   

   

• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Sun, Jan 31 2016 10:17 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Robbo81303:

  Why?

  Because it indicates you think there's some manipulation going on. I'm about as regular as you can get in the forums and I see the same thing and not once have I ever felt my game was manipulated. I can explain every mistake I make, in hindsight, including extreme deviations like the one you're complaining about. 

  Suck it up and move on, that's what the good players do.

  The simple length of the analysis is impressive. It would tale me a few days to type that much stuff...Robbo may not post often, but he can hold his own with even Flares and a couple of others in terms of providing detailed analysis.

  I also agree with the highlighted portion of Jim's post...my biggest weakness is putting...always has been...I can explain every mistake I make when I'm on the green...I can't read break or speed worth a damn, and I therefore suck at putting...:)

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, Jan 31 2016 11:21 AM

  Robbo81303:

  Wow!   Hope ya didn't hurt yourself with that pat on the back.

  That was to debunk your premise that it made a difference.

  Robbo81303:

  Really!  What would you have learned from this happening?  What would you do differently to keep it from happening again??

  Stick to my game and make the same shot the next time. Understanding how this game attempts to replicate RL is a key to keeping your cool and accepting responsibility for your shots instead of looking for excuses and other things to blame. I'm 100% sure every RL golfer has had the exact same thing happen....."I hit that perfect!! How did it go there??"

  This is basic stuff you should already know. If you don't, learn. It'll explain 99% of your results, or at least help you understand what happened. The worst thing you can do is face down that same shot and remember this result. You'd make a drastic adjustment and be back here complaining about it. LOL

   

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Sun, Jan 31 2016 12:32 PM

  There is a common suggestion that wgt 'realism' includes a WTF shot, but when a golfer THINKS he/she hit a 'perfect shot' and it goes off course is because they hit a IMPERFECT shot.

  Nicklaus may hit a bad shot because he actuated a bad shot.

  Unlike some WGT incidents, If a golfer gets the proper calculation and plays the swing, true wind, etc. properly - the laws of physics don't have an agenda, no tin foil hat, etc. so the ball lands where it should:

  the ball lands where it does IRL because it was hit there. That's Irrefutable, but some can carry on.

  WGT is a business, with some features of a game. It is not a game, par se, surely.

  Stop all the money flow, income, ads, etc. from WGT and it would go away. = business.

  The misunderstanding comes when you confuse the two.