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Scoring in the 50's

Thu, Jul 5 2012 6:19 PM (82 replies)
  • dflop
    1,877 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 7:11 PM

    I just hope any of theese changes don't drive people away , i am not sure of what the percentages are but i know there are still a great deal of people who struggle , i would be disapointed to have players leaving the game based on a change that was not for the better  !      ........  as DAZZA says be careful what you wish for  !

  • MBaggese
    15,378 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 7:35 PM

    Don, Dazza and Fabian nailed it.

    Some must be thinking "make that guy shoot a 68 and I have a chance"

    "I have a chance" will now be in the 80's and complaining.

    You can't just tighten up the game for the best.....every one will feel it.

  • tanneralis
    422 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 8:00 PM

    I'm certainly not saying that the low scores will stop completely but they would reduce considerably Genorb but there are plenty of low average players that would be lucky to play to their average in a ranked round 4 out of 10 times because the only way they can get their average down is by playing easy tourneys in my opinion.

     

  • dflop
    1,877 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 9:18 PM

    At the end of the day an average means jack sh#t , these easy tornements are there and so are many other tournements that are harder so why not just get on with playing the great game we have , with out potentionlly taking the AXE to the whole game and have players leaving , as it has been said time and time again the GOOD PLAYERS will still be the best no matter what changes are made , and to make the game harder to the good players only , will be very bad for WGT  !     .......  i have my fingers crossed the right call will be made  !

    thank you ,  .......   dflop  !

  • godelescher
    636 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 10:41 PM

    Adding more decision making variables to the shot, like slope of the lie, fade and draw, variable and shifting winds, etc. will create more opportunity for player error and result in more bad shots.

    As Genorb and others have said, it will widen the gap between the best players and the mediocre players. The best might lose two or three strokes per round, but the mediocre players might lose half a dozen because they don't know how to play the right shot.

    Why would anyone think that's a bad thing?

    I'm not pissed off because Ernie Els hits the ball more consistently than me. He's supposed to, he's better than me. I suck and he's a pro.

    Genorb, Bollox, Dansamcam, RUNWME, blah blah blah, these guys are more than 10 strokes better than me, but I can keep it close because the game physics are simplistic, and they will get hit with random deviations as often as I will.

    If the game physics become more complicated than "the hole is 10' above me and there's a 15 mph headwind" then I'm going to start making serious mental errors.

    If I have to factor in a ball below my feet on a downhill lie, and I've got to curve it around a tree, there's a very real possibility that I'm going to put a crooked number on the card.

    That's life. I suck. 

    If they can pull off that same shot and land it 10' from the pin, good for them. They earned it and I didn't.

    This isn't tee ball. We don't get participation awards. Everybody doesn't get to win here. 

    To the people who think making the game "harder" (read as: more realistic) will cause people to leave in droves, I think that's horse puckey (as my grandfather used to say - except he said it convincingly and with a look on his face that made you think horse puckey, even though you didn't know exactly what is was, was some seriously messed up stuff). 

    Go to any municipal golf course on the planet and look at the sheer volume of people hacking up the course. Being bad is the rule and being good is the exception - not the other way around - but that hasn't stopped golf from growing at an exponential rate for the last 50 years.

    But even if that wasn't true, look at it this way: The more decision making processes required to pull off a good shot, the less deviation (or VEM, or whatever we're calling it) is necessary to keep the scores from getting too absurdly low.

    Right now, deviation is used by WGT as a way to mimic the millions of subtle variables in a golf shot. Lift your head and screw up your shot, bend your elbow wrong, break your wrist too late or too early, put the tee behind the wrong ear, breathe out of the wrong eyeball, and your shot will go haywire.

    As more factors are included in the WGT golf shot, the need for artificial and arbitrary crapola deviation becomes less necessary because people will screw it up all on their own.

    This is good for the game, even if it widens the gap between the best and the rest.

  • kmarline21
    442 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 10:49 PM

    LEAVE THE GAME ALONE there are always going to be better players and the 1s that feel left out oh well quit crying and put more time and effort into the game WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME if you are not having fun why are you playing i have struggled along time to get were i am at  and I'm sick of players blaming everything but themselves for there scores like a bunch of kids SUCK it up the players with these scores you all complain about have no big secrete they just put in the time and effort to compete at that level it is unreal the amount of crying and complaining that goes on on this site  RULE # 1 HAVE FUN RULE #2 if your not having fun then take your crap somewhere else or put in the time and effort into the game that the top players have no one is going to hand it to you you have to work for it SUCK IT UP !

    Just want to add WGT does a fine job no more than a fine job on this site if you can do better GO FOR IT BUT STOP THE CRYING !

  • srellim234
    2,077 Posts
    Sat, Jun 23 2012 11:37 PM

    If people are good enough to get the scores, so be it. The cream will always rise to the top. In order to cut down on the overall number of people shooting those scores in any given tournament, though, WGT could try implementing a simple game adjustment requiring all  tournament rounds to be completed. No allowing people to constantly quit when they get a hole score they don't like and starting over.

    There will still be some scores in the 50s by the most capable players but not the quantity of them that occur now. Players who are achieving those top scores because of the sheer volume of individual holes they throw at a tourney would not post low scores nearly as often.

    Requiring round completion would also mean that no tweaking of courses, course conditions or equipment would have to be done.

  • dflop
    1,877 Posts
    Sun, Jun 24 2012 12:28 AM

    I am not complaining , and i am not  fussy what WGT do to this game , and i do know how to play golf which i have done for 32 years of my 40 years that i have been on this planet , i will butt out now !   ......   Another thing imagine how long it will take to fiish a game of alternate  !  ....  sorry to have interupted  !

    thnk you ,  .....  dflop  !

  • geordieles
    560 Posts
    Sun, Jun 24 2012 1:06 AM

    There is no doubt the better players on the site will still be the better players on this site no matter what WGT add to the game, but if whatever they add means these guys shoot around the 65 mark on a good day, then WGT has succeeeded in making the game scoring more realistic which i understand as the goal WGT is wanting to achieve.

    If its adding ball stance ,draw / fade etc then even better as it again makes the game more realistic, and makes your course management more important and will take away the boredom of aim and click.

    I remember when shooting anything under par at Bethpage was a great feeling, now if you shoot 62 i see players saying what a crap round, crap round i ask you, if you shot that a while back you would be jumping thru hoops.If WGT can manage to get scoring where a 59 is a rare occurency and not the norm then it can only be better for the game.

    This of course is imho.

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