dear James, just want to vouch that ironking34 did birdie the 5th hole on the 1st go around of which we have no green shot. I was typing as he was putting out , and i clicked continue to finish typing without having taken the green shot. My only credential to my honesty is that i was +2 thru 5 on the 1st go around, and -5 thru 5 on the second go around, yet we did the right thing and started on the 6th hole, and i posted a 38, i wouldnt have it any other way, although i understand that without green shot there is no hard proof. Any how respect your decision either way. thank you, pete.