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My 2 cents about tiers, levels and equipment

• srellim234 2,077 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 3:02 PM

  YJ- Addressing sandbaggers by forfeiting a little income now benefits WGT in the long term by keeping more players in the game, buying equipment and playing. Every business has a core of dedicated fans but the majority of the customers are a "silent majority." They come and go, buying things and trying out what the business has to offer. If they perceive that the business is not concerned with trying to fix problems they won't say anything; they will just go away.

  The same goes for players who feel they are being railroaded by sandbaggers. If they perceive that WGT is content to have what they consider to be cheaters and WGT doesn't do anything about it the legitimate players and their money will go away.

  Your idea will work for as far as it goes. In addition to it WGT should change the monthly stroke play tournaments to sweepstakes prizes only. Stop the high level, low tier sandbaggers from dominating the awards in those as well.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 3:20 PM

  srellim234:

  Addressing sandbaggers by forfeiting a little income now benefits WGT in the long term by keeping more players in the game, buying equipment and playing.

   

  This presupposes the sandbagging issue is at the forefront and I don't believe it is. At least not to the point that new players are being driven away because of it. In an odd way, sandbaggers do create income , even with their nefarious winnings. The credits have to come from someplace and I'm sure WGT doesn't care where. They pay lip service to it but that's about as far as it goes.

  Your point addresses those that ostensibly leave, never to return. The game itself is the attraction and the golf lovers will stay. And spend. And get wise about sandbaggers. JMO

• srellim234 2,077 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 4:02 PM

  You're right. Sandbagging is not at the forefront. I have yet to see anyone from WGT even consider discussing the issue. The closest any representative of the firm has come is the standard "Send us an email" from WGTIcon. Sandbagging is not against the rules so WGT as a company is fine with it.

  But I must say, I stay not for the love of golf but because my closest friend likes this game better than others he's been exposed to. So, here we are. I love golf but this is a video game, not golf. I play a minimal amount to keep the daily bonus so I can eventually get better and better gear. I have no desire to become a great player and I don't care to play for any amount of credits.

  My love of golf is on the course.I started playing when I was 7 and still feel the same enjoyment and anticipation every time I play.  I enjoy watching on tv for the things I learn to help me on the course. I also enjoy watching the drama as it unfolds during a tournament.

  I'm not a die hard fan of this game simply because the experience isn't close enough to the real thing yet. I keep hoping it will get there soon but WGT is moving too slowly in that direction for my taste. 

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 4:09 PM

  srellim234:

  I'm not a die hard fan of this game simply because the experience isn't close enough to the real thing yet

  It's all in the imagination. Watching the Barclay this weekend was a gas, knowing the course every step of the way. That's pretty real. This is as close as it gets to the real thing for a summer golfer when winter rolls around here.  ;-)

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 4:26 PM

  YankeeJim:

  srellim234:

  I'm not a die hard fan of this game simply because the experience isn't close enough to the real thing yet

  It's all in the imagination. Watching the Barclay this weekend was a gas, knowing the course every step of the way. That's pretty real. This is as close as it gets to the real thing for a summer golfer when winter rolls around here.  ;-)

   

  I agree YJ. Watching the Barclay was fantastic while having some idea of what shots work and where to hit them. Just the 15th hole alone was worth the time I spent.

  In my mind we are playing golf here. IMO... that's the fun of the game. Spending over 5 hours on a weekend afternoon playing IRL is fun sometimes but a real pain in the rump a whole lot of times as well. Knocking out an 18 hole round in 35 minutes for free is fun and cheap.

• chris5214 1,937 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 4:29 PM

  YankeeJim:

  srellim234:

  I'm not a die hard fan of this game simply because the experience isn't close enough to the real thing yet

  It's all in the imagination. Watching the Barclay this weekend was a gas, knowing the course every step of the way. That's pretty real. This is as close as it gets to the real thing for a summer golfer when winter rolls around here.  ;-)

  sure thing .. + we're not draggin' a bag fulla clubs over 7000yds uphill & downhill, not exposed to fatigue parkin' on our Ar$e behind a screen or have to contend with real weather .. low scores are inevitable .. i concur, as real as it gets from your chair ..

  Cerino said that to his mind he's (actually .. dare i say ?) playing golf here .. i have often thought the very same thing .. (donning my helmet now to fight off the bashers)

• srellim234 2,077 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 6:14 PM

  No bashing from me. I do understand how all of you feel. I used to travel all over the U.S. on business. I sometimes get the same feelings as you when I fire up my flight simulator with the additional terrain software, flight yoke and pedals. I fly some of the same routes and land at the same airports I used to fly in to. For me not to feel the same way about this game is mostly rooted in the realism of the controls. Maybe a golf club handle would fix that but that's not happening soon at WGT. So, I look for other ways the game could be made more realistic.

   I'm extremely fortunate to play real-life golf all year round here so I'm never distanced enough from the game to forget that it is a computer game.

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 6:15 PM

  chris5214:

  YankeeJim:

  srellim234:

  I'm not a die hard fan of this game simply because the experience isn't close enough to the real thing yet

  It's all in the imagination. Watching the Barclay this weekend was a gas, knowing the course every step of the way. That's pretty real. This is as close as it gets to the real thing for a summer golfer when winter rolls around here.  ;-)

  sure thing .. + we're not draggin' a bag fulla clubs over 7000yds uphill & downhill, not exposed to fatigue parkin' on our Ar$e behind a screen or have to contend with real weather .. low scores are inevitable .. i concur, as real as it gets from your chair ..

  Cerino said that to his mind he's (actually .. dare i say ?) playing golf here .. i have often thought the very same thing .. (donning my helmet now to fight off the bashers)

  Think about all the course knowledge you've picked up on each course. Bounces, rolls, chips and putts like you know them.  We must be playing golf. ;-)

• alosso 21,094 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 10:09 PM

  srellim234:

  I do have questions about your proposal. Would a person be allowed to go up and down based on how the bag is equipped rather than being decided by the equipment they own but aren't using? Would the player ever be allowed to go back to shorter tees at all? I certainly would not buy equipment that's going to throw me into a tougher game if I can't go back or I have to sell it back at a financial loss to make it happen.

  I was not going to revolutionize the whole thing, therefore no return down. Talking about the impact I remind you that my plan only affects those who are not in a tier which would usually be expected at a certain level. Look at me - level 92 TM. I would only buy the R11s to support me to advance to Legend - why not accept the level-up when I buy them?

   

  When it comes to comparison of this game and the real thing the difference is certain for me.

  Real golf is THE GAME, including time outside and walking and stretching and straining to punch that nasty little white sow into the holes while enjoying some conversation and/or banter with my company - and a cool drink on the terrasse afterwards.

  This online game has the views and the ball playing experience but there are quite a few elements missing. "Exercise of the index finger" certainly ain't enough for me, just a surrogate while I can't do THE GAME.

• lee22sharon 1,419 Posts

  Mon, Aug 27 2012 11:31 PM

  I hate to be a cold smack in the face to those of you who have made entries to this thread, But!  It is the same ideas over and over all the time by mostly the same persons.

  Until WGT says anything at all about it on the forums, or some other venue, every idea, every entry, is wasted effort.

  WGT has stated they want ideas, well I think there have been many ideas, good and bad proposing this or that change.  Enough so that it is evident that WGT either does not want to, or is incapable of doing so.  In either case, (unless told otherwise) all of this discourse is a lost cause.  

  I my self have made many suggestions, never to hear anything from WGT, so I no longer will waste anymore of my lifetime to try to correct an incredibly dumb, or short sighted move on WGT's part when they made the wholesale changes to the ranking system, and the inappropriate movement of players from one ranking to a higher ranking without the necessary experience and or access to the necessary equipment.

  I said it before (just a few days ago) that WGT ownership/management will never admit to having given birth to such an UGLY child.  Until they do,  Good Luck.  My Nickle.