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2.0's, Nike Ball & Side Wind Spin Factor?

• chris5214 1,937 Posts

  Thu, Nov 8 2012 2:00 PM

  gbarto:

  Interesting post guys, on a related issue, have heard that useing FULL bs  vs. no bs increases error /deviation to "some" degree on a "slight" ding miss, even if there is NO crosswinds whatsoever. In my experience never really noticed any big difference,thoughts?

  couldn't tellya really .. i've always used bspin on my shots .. all i know is u don't wanna miss ding in the direction of the wind, even slightly .. not with irons as unforgiving as the Burners .. missing ding slightly opposite wind usually yields ok-good results ..

• bubbadork 984 Posts

  Thu, Nov 8 2012 2:12 PM

  I'm a little different from Yankee.  I try to put some applicable value on every situation that I encounter, whether it's lie, or spin, or wind, or whatever.

  I've worked to establish these values. I tell myself, YOU HAVE TO TRUST THEM. If I can't trust them, then I did a poor job of arriving at them.

  I get into the situations.  I say I have to trust my figures, even though they don't seem right. Maybe 90% of the time, i do.  Ten percent of the time, I can't help myself.  I shade my shot tor gut instinct, and screw the figures I have.

  I don't actually know which approach is right.  I make some great shots and I make some absolutely pitiful misses. I shoot pretty good, but not great.

  If I ever figure it all out, I'm gonna whup everyone's azz.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Nov 8 2012 2:22 PM

  gbarto:

  have heard that useing FULL bs  vs. no bs increases error /deviation to "some" degree on a "slight" ding miss, even if there is NO crosswinds whatsoever. In my experience never really noticed any big difference,thoughts?

  It depends on which ball you're using. I can speak for the difference between the Callaway (s) ball and the Tour-SD ball. Having used both of them extensively over the past year there is no doubt that they affect that deviation differently. The SD is much more forgiving which stands to reason because of the meter speed. The Callaway, with the better spin, distance and slower meter, acts quite inconsistently on missed hits , particularly if you're using spin.

  Compare for yourself by playing a CTTH and not aiming, just missing to aim. 9 shots with one ball and 9 with the other will give you an idea.

   

• gbarto 141 Posts

  Fri, Nov 9 2012 5:31 PM

  Thxs.  jim,good tip on ctth idea, think it all boils down to the more back spin applied to the shot, the longer its in the air,so any ding miss is magnified compared to no/less B.S. As for fast vs. slow meter of balls affecting deviation of a shot,never heard of this honestly,always thought only the spin factor of a ball affects deviation on a slight ding miss.

• 9,041 Posts

  Fri, Nov 9 2012 10:46 PM

  After playing for 23hrs straight y/day (or was it the day before ? ) I just got up after 16hrs sleep and thought I'd catch up with what has been going on...

  Like YJ, I play by feel on cross winds..(and watch to see which way the needle points most, for a couple of secs)

  Like Budda ,I have a comprehensive set of notes that I ignore on occasions (and generally) suffer when the heart rules the head/notes..

  Not got an answer for the OP (waiting on the big guns) but most interesting post/question I've read in a while....Andy

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Nov 10 2012 6:07 AM

  gbarto:

  As for fast vs. slow meter of balls affecting deviation of a shot,never heard of this honestly,always thought only the spin factor of a ball affects deviation on a slight ding miss.

  Like your point about the ball being in the air longer and having the missed ding magnified, the slower meter penalizes you more if you miss the  hit. I see it as the price you pay for having an easier ding and missing it. 

• Oldbayrunner 1,774 Posts

  Sat, Nov 10 2012 6:18 AM

  If I remember correctly from a couple other threads Bubba uses a pretty nifty shot calculator he made that factors in the wind, distance etc. 

   

  For the OP there is a calculation one can use to factor in for the wind variation. By using the height of the flag as the distance gauge and moving the aim arrow the calculated distance opposite the same angle the wind is blowing from can get pretty close most of the time in regard to the balls flight. The rest is up to whatever you use to figure to get you close  to the hole.

  To help I others I included my wind & elevation calculations into SGTBilko's Wind and putting calculator and recently sent him an update for him to test the wind aim. I don't know if he will include it or not. You can find his calculator and how to download it on his profile page.

  Any variation using that will be due to the club and ball one is using. By playing with the distance based on that can help with variations.

• Buckeye8084 307 Posts

  Mon, Nov 12 2012 12:09 AM

  Oldbayrunner:

  If I remember correctly from a couple other threads Bubba uses a pretty nifty shot calculator he made that factors in the wind, distance etc. 

   

  For the OP there is a calculation one can use to factor in for the wind variation. By using the height of the flag as the distance gauge and moving the aim arrow the calculated distance opposite the same angle the wind is blowing from can get pretty close most of the time in regard to the balls flight. The rest is up to whatever you use to figure to get you close  to the hole.

  To help I others I included my wind & elevation calculations into SGTBilko's Wind and putting calculator and recently sent him an update for him to test the wind aim. I don't know if he will include it or not. You can find his calculator and how to download it on his profile page.

  Any variation using that will be due to the club and ball one is using. By playing with the distance based on that can help with variations.

  I am currently taking a computer science class at school. Learning formulas of excel, access..etc

  I would be interested in how you came up with your values for wind. I'd like to play around with it a little bit and fill in all angles once I have the numbers dialed in.

  As for some basic info for my clubs, lining up the edge of the distance box with the pin is exactly 5 yards of crosswind. It's exactly half an inch if you are using a tape measure for about 90% of my shots. My fiance has the G20's and there is some variation. 5 yards for her is 5/8 and sometimes 3/4.

  This is for the far away view. The closeup view is even more. After tinkering with it is an 2-3 extra slight movements of the aiming cursor for full spin shots. (About an 1/8 of an inch) 

  Now if I could consistently hit the ding I would be playing darts. 

  I use percentages of wind and calculate off that. I have so many freaking exel charts you wouldn't believe it lol. 

  Anyways, thanks for all the contributions so far. 

• borntobesting 9,709 Posts

  Mon, Nov 12 2012 2:23 AM

  Buckeye8084:

  Oldbayrunner:

  If I remember correctly from a couple other threads Bubba uses a pretty nifty shot calculator he made that factors in the wind, distance etc. 

   

  For the OP there is a calculation one can use to factor in for the wind variation. By using the height of the flag as the distance gauge and moving the aim arrow the calculated distance opposite the same angle the wind is blowing from can get pretty close most of the time in regard to the balls flight. The rest is up to whatever you use to figure to get you close  to the hole.

  To help I others I included my wind & elevation calculations into SGTBilko's Wind and putting calculator and recently sent him an update for him to test the wind aim. I don't know if he will include it or not. You can find his calculator and how to download it on his profile page.

  Any variation using that will be due to the club and ball one is using. By playing with the distance based on that can help with variations.

  I am currently taking a computer science class at school. Learning formulas of excel, access..etc

  I would be interested in how you came up with your values for wind. I'd like to play around with it a little bit and fill in all angles once I have the numbers dialed in.

  As for some basic info for my clubs, lining up the edge of the distance box with the pin is exactly 5 yards of crosswind. It's exactly half an inch if you are using a tape measure for about 90% of my shots. My fiance has the G20's and there is some variation. 5 yards for her is 5/8 and sometimes 3/4.

  This is for the far away view. The closeup view is even more. After tinkering with it is an 2-3 extra slight movements of the aiming cursor for full spin shots. (About an 1/8 of an inch) 

  Now if I could consistently hit the ding I would be playing darts. 

  I use percentages of wind and calculate off that. I have so many freaking exel charts you wouldn't believe it lol. 

  Anyways, thanks for all the contributions so far. 

  There is one thing that a lot of people overlook about the wind. I firmly believe that on holes with several trees lining the fairway that the affect of the wind on cross wind shots is reduced proportionally by the amount and size of the trees, Also taking this into account woods and the longer irons would be affected even less due to their  lower flight. Many many big trees will reduce the affect of the wind in real life and I don't think WGT would not have taken that into consideration when programming the game.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Nov 12 2012 5:04 AM

  borntobesting:

  I firmly believe that on holes with several trees lining the fairway that the affect of the wind on cross wind shots is reduced proportionally by the amount and size of the trees,

  BPB # 8 and #14 are good examples of this, IMO. #8 is so erratic you have to believe the green is in a valley of sorts, sheltered from the actual winds while on #14 a drive never seems to be affected a lot by the prevailing wind.