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The Adorable Oakmont Greens

• IvaThongon 933 Posts

  Fri, Jun 11 2010 8:43 PM

  TarheelsRule:

  Wow  frustration from SP.   The greens at Oakmont can try anyone's patience for sure and there are a few places that I don't think you can 2 putt from, I think #9 or #18 if you hit past the hole to the left, you can't 2 putt it unless you make a 15 footer coming back.  It is difficult for sure.

  #18 is brutal. You are right about being left, you are left with an unmakeable putt and a wicked comeback putt just to salvage par. I have changed my thinking on 18, and I have made a few good pars. On my second shot, I just disregard the green, and approach to wedge range. If you can stick it near the stick you are in great shape. If you are on line and a hair long, your ball will come back to the hole. Birdie is even a possibility.

• dorkfeatures 712 Posts

  Sat, Jun 12 2010 12:51 AM

  Hi All,

  I am slowly coming to terms with these greens, funnily enough its the little ones coming back with heaps of break that undo me. I either hit them to hard, or under compensate for the break lol.

  TLD - good post. The laying up from distance is a very good idea. Just try and take those 3 putts out of the equation. 

  Although I am getting the hang of these quick greens I just cant seem to work out the mathematics - it just doesn't make sense to me.

  I keep records of some if not all my putts, while I'm trying to get the hang of these tournament  greens.

  Lets take an example. I have a 28ft putt dead level - I hit it "X" amount. No problems. I have a 28ft putt 16" uphill, and I hit the ball "X - 2". I'm hitting an uphill putt, with less power than a flat putt. I just dont get it.

  Whats the rub Niv ? Anyone any ideas ??

  Anyway - back to practice fairways of Oakmont lol

  Cheers

  Doug

   

• ChristopherRouss 133 Posts

  Sat, Jun 12 2010 10:07 AM

  Sweetie Pie you noted that you can't judge it by the speed chart or the lie but you can... it's just they have made a new speed...   Tournament greens that are like sheets of ice on a hill...  I mean I was hitting close to ten inches uphill one green like 39 feet away, hit it only like 35 foot strength and still went past the hole....  if you noticed they also have the lightning fast greens for the Open Championship as well. 

• borntobesting 9,701 Posts

  Sat, Jun 12 2010 1:01 PM

  ChristopherRouss:

  Sweetie Pie you noted that you can't judge it by the speed chart or the lie but you can... it's just they have made a new speed...   Tournament greens that are like sheets of ice on a hill...  I mean I was hitting close to ten inches uphill one green like 39 feet away, hit it only like 35 foot strength and still went past the hole....  if you noticed they also have the lightning fast greens for the Open Championship as well. 

  Brutally fast greens are one thing that make the US open what it is. And the Oakmont greens we are playing on here must be likened to the US open from about 4 or 5 years ago that were so brutally fast, due in great part to the extremely hot and dry weather that year. If you remember, the greens were so brutally fast that they watered down the greens between every group the last 2 days to slow them down a little.

  Although faster than normal I find the greens at SA much slower and easier putt on than Oakmont , except for the short big breaking putts. That is where both courses eat my lunch. Playing with a my new G15 driver with the ultra fast swing meter doesn't help much. Because if you use the new gi3 balls you must decide on distance or spin not both.It is taking some re-learning but I have recently decided to go with the the tour g-s ball only 1 dot of feel but 2 spin and 1 distance. I just need to learn how to time the meter a little better and maybe I can start to post some decent scores, My last round in the Open qualifier I was -1 after 15 and went brain dead over the last 3 holes and ended up at + 8 80 but it was still my best round so far. 

• AlaCowboy 1,321 Posts

  Sat, Jun 12 2010 1:42 PM

  borntobesting:

  ChristopherRouss:

  Sweetie Pie you noted that you can't judge it by the speed chart or the lie but you can... it's just they have made a new speed...   Tournament greens that are like sheets of ice on a hill...  I mean I was hitting close to ten inches uphill one green like 39 feet away, hit it only like 35 foot strength and still went past the hole....  if you noticed they also have the lightning fast greens for the Open Championship as well. 

   

  Brutally fast greens are one thing that make the US open what it is. And the Oakmont greens we are playing on here must be likened to the US open from about 4 or 5 years ago that were so brutally fast, due in great part to the extremely hot and dry weather that year. If you remember, the greens were so brutally fast that they watered down the greens between every group the last 2 days to slow them down a little.

  Although faster than normal I find the greens at SA much slower and easier putt on than Oakmont , except for the short big breaking putts. That is where both courses eat my lunch. Playing with a my new G15 driver with the ultra fast swing meter doesn't help much. Because if you use the new gi3 balls you must decide on distance or spin not both.It is taking some re-learning but I have recently decided to go with the the tour g-s ball only 1 dot of feel but 2 spin and 1 distance. I just need to learn how to time the meter a little better and maybe I can start to post some decent scores, My last round in the Open qualifier I was -1 after 15 and went brain dead over the last 3 holes and ended up at + 8 80 but it was still my best round so far. 

   

  "Brutally fast greens are one thing that make the US open what it is." you say?

  So this U.S. Open isn't about the SKILL of playing golf, but about the TRICK of putting on totally absurd greens? Well, what skill is there in deciding "Do I hit this 35 ft downhill/sidehill putt 6 or 9 inches and 8 or 12 ft left of the hole?" 

  
  

• igiveup 110 Posts

  Sat, Jun 12 2010 2:54 PM

  dorkfeatures:

  Lets take an example. I have a 28ft putt dead level - I hit it "X" amount. No problems. I have a 28ft putt 16" uphill, and I hit the ball "X - 2". I'm hitting an uphill putt, with less power than a flat putt. I just dont get it.

  Whats the rub Niv ? Anyone any ideas ??

  Anyway - back to practice fairways of Oakmont lol

  Cheers

  Doug

   

   

  Its a simple calculation for the greens, subtract 3 ft for every 10ft in distance. Then just add the rise or fall component of the putt...

   

  So a 30ft up hill 4 inches is hit at 25ft pace.   ( 30 -3 x 3) + 4 = 25

   You may need to work in prts as well so 3ft subtact 1 ft, 6ft subtract 2 ft... etc

   

  A 16ft downhill 7 inches would be ( 16 -  (3 + 2)) - 7 = 4... so hit the putt at 4 ft.

  then its just getting the line correct for the putt.

   

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Sun, Jun 13 2010 8:28 PM

  I have no clue what you guys are talking about with these equations and stuff.    For most greens I just use the regular rule of +1 ft for every inch uphill and -1 ft for every inch downhill.   Then hit it based on your new meter speeds for tourney mode.   For the Daytona your 15 ft meter = 22 1/2 ft.   Your 30 ft meter = 40 ft.  Your 60 ft meter = 80 ft, and judge accordingly.    For sidehills ... give it a bit more than you think.    Now if you want to know why i haven't shot lower than 66 .. it's not the putting .. it's the rest of the game :)

  Good luck.

• TheLighterDark 1,404 Posts

  Mon, Jun 14 2010 12:05 AM

  Ivietri, those equations don't line up.

  15 = 22.5 is a 1.5 multiplier.

  30 = 40 is a 1.33 multiplier.

  60 = 880 is also a 1.33 multiplier.

  Are you just making things up?

• Hackmore 41 Posts

  Mon, Jun 14 2010 8:03 AM

  I like to guess the whole time and usually I'm wrong. I am horrible at math unless I have a calculator in front of me. My problem is more left to right than speed and I know speed also calulates to how much left to right ......never mind , I can't putt.

• IvaThongon 933 Posts

  Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:30 AM

  I don't know what all that math stuff is supposed to mean, I just putt. Take my line, best guess my distance, and let it go. Aside from the shorter downhill putts on the fast greens, I'm finding it alright.