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At last! An Uneven Lies tourney... but...

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Fri, Jan 11 2013 7:33 PM (230 replies)
  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Wed, Jan 2 2013 9:51 AM

    Well, I attempted the tourney this morning... playing Uneven Lies for the very first time with 'fancy clubs.' And... I found it much harder than with Starters! 

    I know that seems to be an extraordinary statement, but whoever mentioned (in this thread, or another... sorry I couldn't find it) that WGT may have programmed this based on clubface angle might have nailed it. 

    I believe it is easier with Starter clubs because the loft is so much reduced on the short irons, and as a result, the effects you get are not so pronounced.

    If it wasn't for the fact that the green set up (for Master) is Tourney speed (new, and quite quick enough thank you for me as a new Master), and it sure helps to have some better stopping power with the approaches, I'd seriously consider going back to Starters for my next attempts.

    I was doing pretty well on the front 9 (-4), but started to miss the ding part way through the back 9 (it really hurts that we can't stop and take a break during these rounds because of the crazy bug with the Saved Game not restoring the Lie grids). Pulling a Calcavecchia on #17 for a wet double bogey was particularly annoying on my way to a 72.

    I'd concur with YJ above, that you really need to bring your 'A' game. This is not a format that allows any tolerance for missing the ding (especially if you miss it in the same direction as the lie).

    Off to try again...

    (Good luck everyone... You can't deny this format forces you to think your way through a golf round a lot more!)

  • LOLserver
    3,522 Posts
    Wed, Jan 2 2013 10:09 AM

    Hey Gary, I am not here to convince you about the feature but bronto is right, if you know how to read the uneven lie grid, you can not only get out of trouble, but you can land your ball close to the flag too.

    The faster the UL dots grid move, the bigger aim adjustment needs it, either sideways or up & down. 

    If I can make a critic about the UL grid at the moment is the lack of good and necessary information to make the best adjustment:

    • the grid is too small & only two dots move sideways only two dots move up & down, 
    • it is difficult to see the steep of the lie because of the angle from which you view the grid 
    • you can only get an idea of the up or down hill by watching the dots move and their speed

    Here is a little tutorial...my own way.

    To make the adjustments before the shot from fairway, rough and sand, I do the following;

    • look at the grid color; black = even lie (flat shot), green = easy forward shot, yellow = (some steep lie) possible forward shot but being aware of the dots speed, red = impossible forward shot (very steep lie) you need to hit backwards or to a place for a forward shot.
    • look at the dots moving sideways and then make my decision of how much I need to move my aim, pretty much like moving the aim sideways due to the wind amount & direction
    • look at the dots moving up or down and make my decision about hit power.

    This is ONE more factor then the regular ones you use for even lies. It takes longer or even much longer time to make decisions for your shot, you need to have a good amount of patience. 

    Best way to learn it; grab the starter balls and pick up any course with uneven lies mode. 

    Some tips:

    • fly of the ball is much lower when down hill shot, mind objects ahead
    • dots moving faster down or up = less distance (you need to add more power (lower iron) to the shot
    • less grip at landing when down hill shots
    • big lost of power when chipping, pitching or flopping close to the green, especially on steep shots
    • shots around the green can be nasty if you miss-judge the direction of the shot or miss the ding (THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION NEEDS TO BE TUNED UP whenever the feature is officially released)

     

    There are more tips to mention but I could be here for hours LOL, I might need to update this little tutorial whenever I remember something important.

    Well, hope it helps to understand the feature :-)

    To me the uneven lies is nothing else but GREAT fun!

    Cheers, Eric

     

  • oneeyedjohn
    9,588 Posts
    Wed, Jan 2 2013 3:29 PM

    Agree with evreything u say Eric.

    I will emphasise a downhill lie is particularly tricky, as the flight is so much lower and the roll out hard to gauge.

    I got caught out  on #2, perfect drive 317 yards but right hand side of fairway, the lie was slightly downhill but it caused my 3 wood to crash into the trees ahead - LOST BAll.

    I am really pissed off now, and being able to restart only makes the pain  worse.

    I hate unlimited  tournies.

    Playing a course on even lies like Congressional after thrashing around Kiawah is pure unabashed joy.

     

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Wed, Jan 2 2013 5:45 PM

    I just played my third attempt and finally got something out of the round. Shot a -7 65. I'm thinking not having a Champagne buzz made a little difference. ;-)

    I'm reading many players mentioning that it's very hard to hit wedge shots around the greens. I'm not feeling that but perhaps it's because I've played a lot with the Unevens.

    On the 7th hole I hit a perfect drive that leaves me about 249 from the pin. I hit 3wood with half backspin thinking it'll land short and run up on the green. Well the lighting fast Champ Speed Greens make it run through and into the rough behind the green. I have 30-40% lie in the rough and an uphill and sidehill left lie. Take out the 52 degree wedge and hit a flop shot full backspin. The wedge is rated 39 yards with the flop and the distance to the pin is 18 yards. I hit full power.. The result was better than I expected.

    http://stmail01.wgt.com/track?t=c&eas=1&msid=1&auid=&mid=1949&msgid=19171&did=1295976594&sn=16777676&eid=sgrasso33@comcast.net&uid=guest&tgid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2001&&&http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=0b55f6db-8919-45c8-bd43-a13b000ab2da

  • muttsnutts69
    283 Posts
    Wed, Jan 2 2013 6:27 PM

    Why doesn't the replay show the lie grid ?

    I want to show my friend what happened with an 88 yard approach off a sidehill lie, that I aim 20 yards left and hit 100. The result was good, pin high 11 feet right.

    I hope WGT are going to compensate us for the *** up when you try to save a game and come back to it later.

    Just not good enough.

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Wed, Jan 2 2013 6:56 PM

    muttsnutts69:

    Why doesn't the replay show the lie grid ?

    I want to show my friend what happened with an 88 yard approach off a sidehill lie, that I aim 20 yards left and hit 100. The result was good, pin high 11 feet right.

    I hope WGT are going to compensate us for the *** up when you try to save a game and come back to it later.

    Just not good enough.

    Unfortunately the replays just don't show the Uneven lie grid. If I knew my shot was going to turn out so well, I would have taken a screen shot of the lie including my aiming point before I hit it. I aimed waaayyyy left.

  • Penners
    1,707 Posts
    Thu, Jan 3 2013 12:32 PM

    Having not played Uneven Lies since a few practice rounds after it was inititally introduced, glad to see it has been toned down (although still some way to go in certain situations in my opinion).

    I've got into them a bit again after seeing this and the previous tournament. I've been reading this discussion with interest and nice to read some great comments...

    Anyway, I had a quick knock around on my lunch break and am currently -5 after 5 holes. I had to stop there and was naturally looking forward to getting back on and posting a low score.... But, I've got the same problem as the guys below - no grid. This is clearly a bug (I'm hoping just for this Tournament and not for all ranked Uneven Lies rounds going forward).

    Does anyone know how/if the grid can be turned back on?! It's not in the Display Options menu. Or do we know if the grid is only off for the first shot? In which case I'll take my chances and try to salvage a par (currently on the 6th fairway).

    LOLserver:

    SilentOmegaWolf:

    happened to me earlier...had to quit the round and start over to get the grid back...

    Thanks, did you try to carry on to see if you were still on uneven lies or level lies after you problem?...As I am in hole 18 with a fairly good score I think it is a pity to throw it out the window, at least I can give it a try and try to make par.

    Eric

     

  • Penners
    1,707 Posts
    Thu, Jan 3 2013 1:05 PM

    Grrrrrr... Oh well, I just answered my own question... I managed to fluke the approach to the 6th to 8ft by dinging and just assuming the lie was flat and made the putt.

    -6 through 6 now and on the fairway on the Par 5 7th, but no lie indicator. Very frustrating!

    Not sure whether to lose my day's played streak and wait to see if WGT fix this bug or not...

    At least I'm in with a pretty good score for R1, but feel I may have gone quite low here.

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, Jan 3 2013 1:21 PM

    Responded also to your other message...

    It's a definite bug: icon replied on 12/31 in this thread as follows:

    WGTicon:

    hi

    I will let them know to check to see if it' can be confirmed. I wouldn't expect it to be fixed for a while though (if it is an issue).

    -wgticon

    My guess is they won't be able to address this until the monthly update (perhaps Wed/Thu  1/9-10, on their typical schedule?). It's a pity this bug didn't come to light before their launch of such a big tourney: but since it was always only available in practice mode (where you can't save rounds) I suppose it's understandable.
    That's bad luck for you after such a great start: you can resume but you won't see the grid again during this round.
    I'm in the same boat as many others, that finding enough time to play 18 holes uninterrupted (with solid internet connection) is difficult to say the least. And it will be even more of an issue when it comes to the single play round...
    Actually this bug makes me think of this as WGT's version of Iron Man! "How well can you score, playing Uneven Lies, with no grids, just judging the slopes by the main screen"... How about if they create a version where you can't view the putting grid either, just like the option that existed in Links2000 (which I used to try for a laugh), and then you'd have a true test of how well we all know the courses...
    Iron Man Golf, here on WGT!

     

     

     

  • Penners
    1,707 Posts
    Thu, Jan 3 2013 1:45 PM

    Thanks Corwyn, well in answer to

    "Actually this bug makes me think of this as WGT's version of Iron Man! "How well can you score, playing Uneven Lies, with no grids, just judging the slopes by the main screen"

    I got to -8 after 10 - managed to birdie 6, 9 and 10 without the grid.

    I got found out on the hump before the green on the Par 5 7th and naturally the chip came up way short (Par). Messed up my tee shot to the Par 3 8th (Par - got to birdie that, especially with no grid! ;-)) and eventually ran into too much trouble on the Par 5 11th and restarted.

    There are a few clues there without the grid to do OK to some extent - I was trying in vain to work out the lie based on the photo and the elevation indicator, but obviously not enough to have any real idea. Complete guess work really!

    Cheers

    Penners

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