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Sat, Jan 5 2013 10:05 PM (23 replies)
  • alosso
    21,066 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 1:26 PM

    jeffdos924:
    The width of the box is approx the drift of a 10mph crosswind and adjust from there. Higher trajctory clubs will drift more than med- or low trajectory clubs. And you have to figure that longer irons will move more than short irons just because they are in th air longer
    I come from the other end with "6 mph per boxwidth". This should give you an impression of the range for PRECISE(!) calculations.

    jeffdos924:

    .Basically, it's a guessing game - all the math in the world can't predict deviations.

    100% d'accord!

    Remark: Take it or leave it!

  • mgbirish
    4,019 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 4:36 PM

    Oldbayrunner:

    LOL buggy better you than me.

    ^^^^^^^x1,000,000,000^^^^^^

    why God are their asses everywhere you go? Ron was asking a legit question, damn!

     

  • RonLunk
    259 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 4:36 PM

    Thanks, you are a real friendly person!!!  Why bother even responding.

  • gr8flbob
    592 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 4:43 PM

    alosso:

    jeffdos924:

    .Basically, it's a guessing game - all the math in the world can't predict deviations.

    100% d'accord!

    Remark: Take it or leave it!

    Now that's precisely right! Given WGT's deviations, and my own (w.r.t. the elusive ding) - I assume my shot will land somewhere in an oval region, with the aiming point inside one edge of the oval and the other edge 'down-wind' of that aiming point. The other dimension of the oval is distance 'surprises', lol.

    I try to aim such that anywhere in the oval is safe territory either in the fairway (for drives and layups), or on the green with a makable putt for approaches. I do it by eye & experience using either a zoom or reverse camera angle if available.

     

     

     

  • bubbadork
    984 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 4:51 PM

    All the math in the world can accurately predict deviations, whether by wind or clubface angle or other anomalies. This is precisely why WGT uses (supposedly) random variations controlled by precision, forgiveness, and VEM.

    The laws of physics, as we understand them, are immutable. This is the case even if we don't understand them to the full. We understand, subliminally, that a game with no rules is no game at all. The problem is that we have not always been informed of the rules.

    Despite that fact, you can take it to the bank that there are rules. Even a theory of total chaos is, ultimately, bound by rules.

     

  • opyeuclid
    6,710 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 6:15 PM

    please dont drink and drive .

    OPY   iaaRft

  • Oldbayrunner
    1,774 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 6:16 AM

    mgbirish:

    Oldbayrunner:

    LOL buggy better you than me.

    ^^^^^^^x1,000,000,000^^^^^^

    why God are their asses everywhere you go? Ron was asking a legit question, damn!

     

    LMAO Mike....better watch it or she'll start calling you Mr Grumpy Butt or something.

  • gr8flbob
    592 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 7:47 AM

    bubbadork:
    All the math in the world can [or can't?]accurately predict deviations, whether by wind or clubface angle or other anomalies. This is precisely why WGT uses (supposedly) random variations controlled by precision, forgiveness, and VEM.

    Are you a statistician or a physicist? If the former, you can successfully predict only with massive data sets; if the latter you can only successfully predict with a knowledge of all the variables of the problem. WGT is easter-egging variables everywhere: each piece of your equipment set (clubs, balls, brain-finger calculation/response system...), and game condition variables (wind, terrain, turf, sand, green speed).

    As a one-time cryptographer, my understanding is that any computerized random number set is - at best - only quasi-random. Only nature, in all her smiling glory, is totally random. With enough clever techniques and a pricey equipment set, one can get pretty close to absolute randomness; I doubt WGT has gone to that extent.

    Well, there is the performance consistency of my R11 8 iron - a pretty fair random number generator, lol.

    bubbadork:
    Despite that fact, you can take it to the bank that there are rules. Even a theory of total chaos is, ultimately, bound by rules.

    Indeed the theory is bound by the rules. The chaos (by definition) knows no bounds or rules.

    Here's to Heisenberg! Einstein reputedly groaned after a chat with Werner - his head hurt.

     

  • puttersman
    240 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 7:51 AM

    This may be a dumb question but what does "VEM " mean.

  • phiber
    2,795 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 8:06 AM

    Variable Equipment Module, a Patent owned by the CEO of WGT that allows modification to the physics of the equipment to impact play and can be applied at any time to anyone under any conditions.  According to WGT it is applied unilateraly across the board and as your playing skills advance to higher tiers/lower averages it is applied even more.  It is, however never applied to only a particular player to impact their game at hand.  There are some that argue that WGT has singled them out and keeps them from scoring in a tournament by applying VEM, but according to WGT that does not happen, nor has it ever happend, not will it ever happen.

    Interesting Patent to read but only an attorney who also has incredible skills as a programmer could ever interpret its true meaning.

    AT least, THIS is my understanding of VEM

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