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Sun, Jan 20 2013 1:47 PM (135 replies)
  • adtjoel
    124 Posts
    Sat, Jan 19 2013 8:24 PM

    renniw52:
    adt, I guess you didn't read my response.

    I got legend with average above 62. I didn't think I would get to legend with that and didn't want to because I had 20 levels of similar crap when I got to master.

    What is your suggestion - to sandbag as much as possible?

    I also listed 14 reasons, the tier jump was just 1.

  • MBaggese
    15,368 Posts
    Sat, Jan 19 2013 11:23 PM

    Venting is good!

     

    Glad to see you are taking a step back.

     

    Know this my man, you do NOT have to gift a dang thing, just because you were frustrated...

     

    Take some time off...play for fun...AS with friends, blitz, etc...do it for fun...pressure off, alls good!

     

  • MBaggese
    15,368 Posts
    Sat, Jan 19 2013 11:28 PM

    adtjoel:

    Decided this *** game is a pointless waste of time and level of service is dreadful. Leave request for gear here 10k credits to give away.

    15k if WGT sort their act out. If.

     

     

    ADT, had to quote this...but not intended for you.

     

    For all who have replied here saying those that asked for something -based on the above original post-how are they (the requester s) blood suckers, wallet pickers, etc?

     

    Figured I'd ask another way, since no one answered my last question...but everyone still piled on about how it was to ask for a gift...

     

    Lol!

     

    BTW..Big Mac still warm???

  • wingho
    13 Posts
    Sat, Jan 19 2013 11:42 PM

    better you keep them, you might change your mind. good luck anyway.               ken                        

  • overtheedge
    5,885 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2013 3:28 AM

    adtjoel:

    11 pages of comments in 2 days? I wasn't expecting the frenzy it has turned into.

    Based on what has been mentioned - a few things I will mention:

    People can post whatever they like, some people have outlined how they would like entire clubs sets as well as multiple sleeves of balls and how I should donate all my credits to them despite the fact I have never even played with them. Others have said they want nothing and everything in between.

    I have not as yet given anything away and at the end of the day I will choose. I have not thought about how to give them away but it wouldn't all be to the same person. There is no need to argue about what people have posted or requested.

    The reason I have not given anything away yet is because I don't want to give them all away and then regret doing so. It's also likely people on my friend list will get priority. I am also supposed to get an additional 5k credits from WGT but as yet have not got them. It's probably just another bullsh*t broken offer but I want to see whether I get them or not.

    I still think at some point I will give them away but please don't waste endless time posting your requests and then be disappointed if you don't get what you asked for. I would need 100,000 credits to give everybody what they asked for.

    Some people have also given reasons why I should buy them things. As far as I know none of you work for nothing in an orphanage. I appreciate that some of your are broke but it's unlikely to influence my decision. I also don't want sympathy.

    I have received a dozen friend requests and a lot of wall posts. Please don't send friend requests - they will be rejected.

    A lot of speculation as to why I am leaving. The bottom is line is I am not enjoying the game. WGT Pizza sent a message asking, I will post below the message I sent (with a few spelling corrections). You may or may not agree with what I have said but you will see there are a number of reasons.

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    I'll list a few reasons. Some aren't really the fault of WGT but are still factors.

    1) I lost count of how many free "offers" I did and never got credits. I also paid £ 10 to join WH Vegas. Where are my credits? Who am I emailng when I request support - they sure as hell aren't sorting it out... I don't feel I get any sort of service across the board.

    2) I got kicked up to Legend. It's not fun when you can't even make the fairway from the Tee with a headwind. Sometimes there is nothing I can do. Same story when I made master. I got penalized because I didn't take months to get up the tiers. I am not going to play for another 3months so I can eventually get the clubs I need to compete. 9/10 legends are 90+ and have most of the best gear in the game. This has made the game less enjoyable and have much less motivation to play.

    3) The servers are bugged. I don't think I have ever got through a 9 hole game without someone getting disconnected. Sometimes it happens a dozen times.

    4) The game is flawed. It's Flash. Flash is easy to hack. Do you think the top players are fair? I don't. People cheat on other flash games playing for nothing - so do you think they won't when they are playing for holidays? I saw a youtube video or people using hacks to ensure they hit the ding every time. It makes me wonder what the point of playing fair is or playing at all if people can cheat.

    5) The Ready-gos are boring. They are always the same ones. Maybe give a higher purse if you can't fill them - they are all credit sinks anyway.

    6) The prizes for free tournaments are too low. I doubt you could even cover the cost of the balls you were using even if you were to win.

    7) I have to pay additional credits to play some courses such as Whistler. I would like to see more courses.

    8) The premium section prizes are extremely poor... not that I am good enough to get that many credits.

    9) Earning free credits was nerfed - videos particularly. I don't feel like spending money when I am not enjoying the game.

    10) Aspects of the game play I still find frustrating. No 2 shots are ever the same. Chipping, pitching and flopping is all over the place. Half the time I get very close, half the time I am nowhere near. Much as I try I can't even seem to get any consistency with these types of shot.

    11) Personal issues. I don't have as much time to play the game as I once did.

    12) Frustration. Sometimes every putt misses by inches. Meter jumping and lag also makes for frustrating and annoying game-play.

    13) I got a browser error when I tried to send this message. I often get browser errors when viewing pages on WGT especially with IE.

    14) I find it annoying that some gear in the Pro Shop seems to have wrong stats. My R11 Irons didn't seem to be any more forgiving than my G20 irons despite that fact they supposed are a whole notch better. If I spend credits I actually want to know what I will get when buying.

    The biggest issues for me are #1, #2 and #4

    I appreciate WGT need to make a profit and some reasons I have listed are in conflict to that.

    I think that could be done in more creative ways and if the level or service was better I would feel like I was getting value. I paid £9 a month for World of Warcraft and didn't think twice about it because I got a decent level of service.

    I feel guilty spending real money on WGT because I don't get service and feel my enjoyment of the game has constantly been killed for no reason other than WGT's agenda.

    I haven't given credits away yet, but I am serious. I don't want to give them all away and end up regretting it. I would be interested in your take on some of the points I outlined.
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    I have not received a response yet. I am not holding my breath.

    VERY AWESOME joel.This is what I call a response to a 12 pg topic,,,lol. Thanks for the reply Joel.

    You do have some valid points joel BUT - this game has had "flaws" since its opening debut. It will CONTINUE to have flaws and yes at the same time it will continue to lose customers as yourself BECAUSE of these flaws. The solution = ?????

    Be aware  - there is a holiday Monday (MLK) so you may wait until Tuesday before a response from pizza. It will be interesting to hear some of his views/ answers to these VERY valid points. 

    btw - VERY wise decision to take a step back, think things through and THEN make a decision. Hope u stick around Joel. tx again. Jeff  

  • renniw52
    5,385 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2013 5:04 AM

    Joel, I never hinted about sandbagging. I can't stand that either. I suppose what I was saying could be mis-understood. I, too am happy to see you thinking it through. Hang in there, I think you have the ability to be one of the better players. I have all of the big sticks, but not the ability to even be in the top 20% on here. I was one of the first a long while back, who agreed that when you made Legend, all equipment should be available. Like others have posted though, that would cost WGT money. You would make a great partner in AS. I could whack the 340 yard drive, then you could set it up for the birdie putt. Stay tough. 

  • Bullyhill
    41 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2013 6:35 AM

    Hang in there Joel, 

  • jsweetcr
    1,209 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2013 7:18 AM

    Lets do it like this:

    1) I lost count of how many free "offers" I did and never got credits. I also paid £ 10 to join WH Vegas. Where are my credits? Who am I emailng when I request support - they sure as hell aren't sorting it out... I don't feel I get any sort of service across the board.

    Not one person here that can't feel your frustration about not getting credits for time you spent.  Not that this makes it ok or makes you feel better, but I spend most of my time in Costa Rica. Costa Rica has no pull in the ad world so i don't get very many free offer or videos. I get to click 7 videos a day and after 2 weeks can get 75 credits.  The only other thing is do tasks for crowd flower which is a joke, spend hours for nothing. From what ive read in forums a lot of people eventually stop doing free offers and just stick to clicking vids.  If you have spent money that Im sure someone here can help you get that sorted.

    2) I got kicked up to Legend. It's not fun when you can't even make the fairway from the Tee with a headwind. Sometimes there is nothing I can do. Same story when I made master. I got penalized because I didn't take months to get up the tiers. I am not going to play for another 3months so I can eventually get the clubs I need to compete. 9/10 legends are 90+ and have most of the best gear in the game. This has made the game less enjoyable and have much less motivation to play.

    As Renni said and a lot of others we feel same way. WGT had to change the tiering up system to combat sandbagging and now people tier up really fast.  Im in same boat as I tiered up to to Master.  I played 6 RGs at pro level and 8 at tour pro and I was a Master, so now im short from the tees and its hard to be competitive, but over time that will change.  Time is the great equalizer. I just need to level to 59 and get some new gear and i think i will be competitive again. Until then Ill do alt shot and practice rounds. Im getting pretty good at dropping my 3wd close to the hole from 200+ yads out

    3) The servers are bugged. I don't think I have ever got through a 9 hole game without someone getting disconnected. Sometimes it happens a dozen times.

    I have not experienced this, at least not on every round. If I play a solo round 9 or 18 holes I can usually complete it with no problems.  I have been kicked, but my internet is sometimes unreliable so i chalk it up to that. It does happen in multi player more often, but usually another player, so again i chalk it up to their connection.  By no means is WGT innocent, im sure they could upgrade and add servers and do things to lessen this and who knows maybe they are, again time will tell

    4) The game is flawed. It's Flash. Flash is easy to hack. Do you think the top players are fair? I don't. People cheat on other flash games playing for nothing - so do you think they won't when they are playing for holidays? I saw a youtube video or people using hacks to ensure they hit the ding every time. It makes me wonder what the point of playing fair is or playing at all if people can cheat.

    People cheat in all games.  Platform doesn't matter. Agree flash is prob not the best from a stability stand point but if they had a stand alone program people could hack that or create programs. I agree with you, but your prob still good enough to be competitive.  There are cheaters in every aspect of life not just games. They gotta live with it and you just do your thing and enjoy yourself

    5) The Ready-gos are boring. They are always the same ones. Maybe give a higher purse if you can't fill them - they are all credit sinks anyway.

    I enjoy the RGs wish i could do them now, but i know i would just lose money. I know what you are saying tho. They just have the same ones, but again give it time.  On some of the level based ones they have a hard enough time filling them as it is. Once more people start to get involved they will fill up faster and Im sure they can add more

    6) The prizes for free tournaments are too low. I doubt you could even cover the cost of the balls you were using even if you were to win.

    Agree that is why I choose RG. other option is do challenges. Don't play tournies just for credits, but more for fun and enjoyment. Entire game is not only about the credits you can earn.  I think it needs to be twofold. Have your games you play for the gambling credit earning aspect and another side for the social aspect, the camaraderie

    7) I have to pay additional credits to play some courses such as Whistler. I would like to see more courses.

    Some course are tru golf, so WGT didn't design or create them, i think they license them so tru golf prob requires that WGT members pay to use the course. I don't know for sure

    8) The premium section prizes are extremely poor... not that I am good enough to get that many credits.

    They just changed them and in my opinion i think it was a result of the RGs. Before the second to last update, there were a laundry list of states in the USA and countries that couldn't compete in the RGs, making it even more difficult to fill them.  They did an update and changed the stuff in the elite section, then all the sudden a bunch of those states and countries could compete.  Its based on the local and state laws of skill based gaming.  Again this is just my opinion of what hapened and I know alot of people agree.  I personally don't care. I just want to earn enough credits to buy my clubs as i move through the levels and ranks, keep a good set of balls on hand, and after that just have extra to be able to gift to others and help others get what they need to progress

    9) Earning free credits was nerfed - videos particularly. I don't feel like spending money when I am not enjoying the game.

    Can't argue there and you shouldn't spend money if you feel you aren't recieving the service and WGT will have to address that or die.  However, you have 10000 credits and a potential 5k more. you have enough credits to almost buy the next 2 sets of clubs and some balls or yourself, plus you are good, I saw your scores, you will start winning credits again, so between some of the videos, what you have, and what you can win, I don't think you will need to spend any Money

    10) Aspects of the game play I still find frustrating. No 2 shots are ever the same. Chipping, pitching and flopping is all over the place. Half the time I get very close, half the time I am nowhere near. Much as I try I can't even seem to get any consistency with these types of shot.

    That's golf!!  When i played that was the case all the time. I agree it gets out of hand sometime and you are carrying the title of a Legend or Tour Pro or whatever, you would think someone of that level would be more consistent, but as someone said in another post there are only about 8 things on this game that have influence over the shot, but in real golf there are 100s. Sometimes their VEM gets a little out of control, but it will get sorted or they will die.  I know if you are a pure gamer its more frustrating, because you see that you have this many dots for this aspect and this many for that and this distance and this wind and so every time it should do this , but they are trying to make it more realistic, like real golf and even the best of the best don't hit every shot the same

    11) Personal issues. I don't have as much time to play the game as I once did.

    Take a break. Do what you need to. Don't let  a game rule your life

    12) Frustration. Sometimes every putt misses by inches. Meter jumping and lag also makes for frustrating and annoying game-play.

    Been there, angry and mad cuz i feel like there is a little demon behind the server and just as my put rolls to the hole he pushes it  just left or just right. I want to scream, but then realize there are millions of people on  his game I highly doubt there is a little demon, i just need to get better at reading the greens and I feel like I am and you will too. Even tho you are Legend you only have 260 some odd ranked rounds and been here a short time, the more you play the better you get

    13) I got a browser error when I tried to send this message. I often get browser errors when viewing pages on WGT especially with IE.

    I hated hearing this when I read it, but it works. Get  a new browser for the game.  I understand how you feel. Why can't WGT just make it so it works good on all browsers and why do I have to work so hard to be a customer, but really the game is fun, the people are cool and it takes 5 minutes to download Maxthon or I think some people say Comodo Dragon too.  It works I have Maxthon and my meter is smooth 95% of the time. I believe the other 5% is just my internet or I got to much going on on my computer and usually after a few shots it smooths back out

    14) I find it annoying that some gear in the Pro Shop seems to have wrong stats. My R11 Irons didn't seem to be any more forgiving than my G20 irons despite that fact they supposed are a whole notch better. If I spend credits I actually want to know what I will get when buying.

    Got nothing to say here...lol.  I have only bought one set of clubs so far, my K15s.  They have been everything I thought they would be and I love them. I can hit the ding but even when i don't i don't miss the fairway. The 4.5 dots of forgiveness make things really nice. They only have 2 dots of precision and you can see that. Sometimes you ding it and your in low wind and the ball ends up 5yds from the hole, but i can't get mad, that is what they are. Maybe someone else can shed some light.

    The biggest issues for me are #1, #2 and #4

    I appreciate WGT need to make a profit and some reasons I have listed are in conflict to that.

    Also they are probably experiencing some immense growing pains. Growing fast changing fast, all these complaints. Again I think the game is worth giving it some time and finding your enjoyment where you can

    I think that could be done in more creative ways and if the level or service was better I would feel like I was getting value. I paid £9 a month for World of Warcraft and didn't think twice about it because I got a decent level of service.

    I feel guilty spending real money on WGT because I don't get service and feel my enjoyment of the game has constantly been killed for no reason other than WGT's agenda.

    I haven't given credits away yet, but I am serious. I don't want to give them all away and end up regretting it. I would be interested in your take on some of the points I outlined.

    As renni said you got skill to be good. I personally don't think you will need to spend money, just need to wait out the level and gear issue.  As someone said, play alt shot. That what I am doing, get decent points for it, and so far all my games have been fun. Played with everyone from hack to Legend and no one has been getting upset we all have fun. Haven't found any regular playing partners yet, but still enjoying myself and just trying to get better. You seem level headed and Im sure you will figure out whats right for you.

    Hope this helps and if you wanna play shoot me an invite

  • trengoff
    128 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2013 7:38 AM

    OK the gloves are ON now!!! ... "scroungers", "vultures", "arrogant", "ignorant", "robbing a dead man" .. *sorry i missed a few out.

    In case you missed a recent thread referring to people leaving ... "And in no circumstance to leave anything to WGT" (using very similar words to the above) - It was very much agreed with ALL players!

    This is completely bang out of order!! ... I really HOPE u feel PROUD of urselves!! SLAUGHTERING and EMBARRASSING people on here!! ... AND dont give me that CRAP "i really do care" b@ll@x... what a joke! The words "pot" and "kettle" come to mind.

    My heart really does go out to the main (2) people u picked on *uncleclewy / twominusone. Ridiculed and dragged through the MUD for falling on hard times. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED YOURSELVES!!! ... Totally despicable!!! 

    Yes i agree that some (very very few) posts took the pizz. But did u realise that they could be "kids" being short of pocket money (and not knowing any better). NOT to mention the amount of people on here who suffer disabilities! along with hardship of money!! ... YES i hope u feel very, very PROUD!!

    AND to top it all, you get the man who started all this, come out with quotes like this :

    "some people have outlined how they would like entire clubs sets as well as multiple sleeves of balls and how I should donate all my credits to them despite the fact I have never even played with them"

    and a classic here ....

    "Some people have also given reasons why I should buy them things. As far as I know none of you work for nothing in an orphanage."

    The obvious question! why in hell did you start this thread?? ... PMSFL ... I'll tell u what m8, if u want attention on here TRY getting in the top 10 of a tourney, or something ... instead of  "oooo look at me" "look at me"  ... what a clown

  • gsoup
    2,929 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2013 7:58 AM

    renniw52:
    I could whack the 340 yard drive, into the rough then you could set it up for the birdie putt so I can miss .

     

    sorry Ren but I know you think faster than you can type,

    so I added the words you missed

    and dont forget the Brie 

    lmao

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