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Sun, Aug 11 2013 11:51 PM (34 replies)
  • mnshiner
    1,382 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 11:00 AM

    Please correct me if I am wrong but didn't Championship greens come along when the Legend tier was created thus the name.

    Now you have Tour Legends who play on Championship Greens which are faster than the old Championship ones.

    So what I did while moving up in ranks was to use the first Tournament speed as a Tour Master and using the old Championship speed as a Legend and it works fine for me.

    Here are some examples of the different speeds I come up with:
    18 ft. flat putt
    Championship 15.1
    Legend            16.4
    Tour Master     16.5

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 11:17 AM

    gr8flbob:
    , the diff between TM tournament and and Legend tournament is very slight ... and mainly shows in delicate downhill putts. I find I can use the same formula for all of the top 3 speeds 

    Which is probably why your one putt stat is so poor. There is around a 20% difference between TM and TL speeds.

     

  • alosso
    21,072 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 11:38 AM

    mnshiner:

    Please correct me if I am wrong but didn't Championship greens come along when the Legend tier was created thus the name.

    Now you have Tour Legends who play on Championship Greens which are faster than the old Championship ones.

    So what I did while moving up in ranks was to use the first Tournament speed as a Tour Master and using the old Championship speed as a Legend and it works fine for me.

    Can't tell for sure about the Olde Times, but for a year or so it has been the two "Tournament" speeds plus Championship. The latter would only come into play in (sic!) championships, the big extraordinary competitions. I remember Legends talking about their concerns "because we've never practiced it".

    Now, before my first scheduled match against a TL, I was happy to practice in a Legend Cabo RG.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 11:41 AM

    courteneyfish:
    Which is probably why your one putt stat is so poor. There is around a 20% difference between TM and TL speeds.

    That stat is not how many he makes, it the % of all the putts he takes that are 1 putt. It speaks more to the GIR than anything.

    He was associating the difference in Champ/Legend to Legend/TM, not Champ to TM. By the sounds of it he has a pretty good grip on it, too.  :-)

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 12:05 PM

    Read his last paragraph again YJ.

  • mnshiner
    1,382 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 1:53 PM

    Am I missing something here. Don't the Tour Legends play on Championship greens everyday thus giving them an advantage in the tournaments that call for Championship greens.

    I know that if I hit the same putt using the so-called Championship ( Legend ) speed I am going past the hole a foot or better if the greens are Championship.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 2:15 PM

    courteneyfish:
    Read his last paragraph again YJ.

    I did and still see him describing how he corrects for each green, starting with TM, by reducing what he's calling a safety factor where he adds 2 ft to TM greens and less for each succeeding green, in effect, hitting less power as the greens speed up.

  • alosso
    21,072 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 2:42 PM

    mnshiner:
    Am I missing something here. Don't the Tour Legends play on Championship greens everyday thus giving them an advantage in the tournaments that call for Championship greens.
    This is true only from Aug 2 when TLs were introduced. Before, to my best knowledge, C greens were scarcely used.

  • ThreeSpot
    476 Posts
    Mon, Feb 11 2013 6:11 PM

    YankeeJim:

    courteneyfish:
    Which is probably why your one putt stat is so poor. There is around a 20% difference between TM and TL speeds.

    That stat is not how many he makes, it the % of all the putts he takes that are 1 putt. It speaks more to the GIR than anything.

    Not sure if your understanding of the stat is incorrect, or if your explanation is just imprecise.

    Part 1: What the stat means: It must be looked at in terms of greens putted. If a player putts 300 greens and 1-putts 100, 2-putts 100 and 3-putts 100, player will have 33.33% for 1-putt%, 2-putt% and 3-putt%. In the above example, player has taken 600 putts. Your statement "it the % of all the putts he takes that are 1 putt" could mean 1 of 2 things. 1) Player took 600 putts, and 100 were 1-putts. 1-putt% would be 16.67%. 2) Player took 600 putts and the last putt on each green was a "1-putt". That's 300 putts made out of 600, 1-putt% 50.00%.

    Part 2: Relationship to GIR: The stat is somewhat related to GIR, but it's likely to be a bit inversely proportional. If you miss a lot of greens but are able to get your "birdie shot" close, you'll have a lot of 1-putts. The true relationship here is "how close to the hole is your first shot that hits the green" - whether it's your first shot or your 5th.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Feb 12 2013 5:35 AM

    Well that went a long way to confuse the issue.

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