I don't no those clubs you mention, because I thought the last one I was in would do that, but instead they just told me basically in their own words that its all on me in lowering my average, with no help intended. For someone that only got one score 30 (-6 on 9 hole) in 10 months, and all they say like its the easiest thing for me to do is just get those -6 on a 9 hole. Well, that is no help at all. Did I ask them to tell how I can lower my score by doing what I can't get? Well, they think that is what I ask for help meant. It is just words. I will not burn myself out for anyone. I came to this site to have fun, and if I can't progress, then it is wasteful and not fun anymore.