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Sat, Mar 30 2013 9:16 PM (170 replies)
  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:13 PM

    PUHOLINO:

    Jimbog1964:
    Not in this or any sport ever invented is there a direct correlation across the board

     

    As I said in my post, the correlation is there MOST times (if not all, we may not agree on that).

    Jimbog1964:
    I watch young men go for trials often.  How often do coaches ask how long have you played? Answer NEVER!

     

    That's because it's clear to all they will need years of hard work to become champions anyway and coaches will develop them on that road.

    Anyone who implies that years of practice make no difference has never competed at a high level in anything in his life. Being decent at a lot of sports does not make one an expert on excellence.

    Although talent is a necessity for success, it's only around 10% of the total package needed for it. The rest are mental strength and the willingness to grind out countless hours of practice. So the thought that people should be given an equal chance to compete after 5 months as the ones who have put years of their time in the same thing is ludicrous to me. So is the whine from someone who was already able to get a great, I repeat, GREAT driver after only 5 months. It's worth it's price, all it takes is to learn how to use it correctly (correct spin and landing zones) and that's where the time you put in kicks in.

    I've only been a member for just over a year and it seems completely fair to me that people, who've put in much more of their time into this than me, are able to get better gear than me and have an advantage (albeit only a very slight one). The only real "mistake" here is the L48 driver, that's just crazy.

     

     

    Any sport ever invented and i mean every sport or game. To get to the very highest yes you need talent and practice of course! You miss the point completely though! Some will always have much more aptitude than others! Some will make more use of equipment than others can in a million trillion years! Getting to be the best in the world is the extreme and we are not talking about that...............

    If you had a son that was very good at a sport would you buy him good equipment or say you need to be playing for 5 years before i buy you that???????? Would he progress fine not being able to play at the highest possible in that time?????????? Any one that says different to that certainly has certainly not played at a high level!!!

    Some people will be better after 5 months than some will be after 10 years no matter how much practice they put in!!!!!!! Any one who has played sport to a high level will have seen enough to appreciate that!!! If those very good people then put in the hours etc then of course! We aint talking about Jack Niklaus here though!

    Telling me i have a great driver don't cut it. IRL I have a better one because I wanted that! So it's not whining as you put it it's a sensible argument.  Better equipment helps.......wont turn a crap player in to an excellent one of course not.  But some will never be able to use it as well as others..................simple stuff!

    Agree on the lower level driver with you at least!!!

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:22 PM

    golfer342:

    Trust me....A few extra yards with a new driver won't make a difference to a "top player" Not in score, not in won credits. There is so much more to to this game than the drive. 

    Agreed.  Many top players like to use it near the best they can though..................Top players (Good Tour Legends I think should just access to it..should be for them to decide)......

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:23 PM

    SHOUTING is the last resort to a flimsy argument...

    EDIT : I see you took the caps off your last post.....?

    Have the courage of your convictions ..

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:26 PM

    In your opiniona flimsy argument! In my opinion your one is!

    I was not trying to be rude......If caps came across as that I apologise, never the intention!

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:36 PM

    alcaucin:

    SHOUTING is the last resort to a flimsy argument...

     

    Lol, yes, I'm not even gonna respond to that.

    But I'll say that Jim must have misunderstood my comparison to real life and equipment. The basic point is that WGT's only way to REWARD people for actual time and practice they put in is to offer them a chance to play with enhanced clubs (cause they can't really give them more of the actual ability). Whether or not players can actually put it to good use is beside the point. It's a REWARD for people who spend enough time and money on their business. You may not like it, but excpecting everyone will be treated the same and get the same perks, no matter what, is funny.

    And like the Duke (oops, NC, my bad ;-)) fan said, nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. Just don't expect a level playing field after 5 months, it never happens anywhere.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:41 PM

    PUHOLINO:

    alcaucin:

    SHOUTING is the last resort to a flimsy argument...

     

     

    Lol, yes, I'm not even gonna respond to that.

    But I'll say that Jim must have misunderstood my comparison to real life and equipment. The basic point is that WGT's only way to REWARD people for actual time and practice they put in is to offer them a chance to play with enhanced clubs (cause they can't really give them more of the actual ability). Whether or not players can actually put it to good use is beside the point. It's a REWARD for people who spend enough time and money on their business. You may not like it, but excpecting everyone will be treated the same and get the same perks, no matter what, is funny.

    And like the Duke (oops, NC, my bad ;-)) fan said, nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. Just don't expect a level playing field after 5 months, it never happens anywhere.

    You are on a different page.  What I personally would buy IRL versus here will be different.  I accept and agree with you that it's OK for WGT to not sell people equipment they want all the time. It's a business..............I say they have got the balance way wrong though!  IRL some people could use the best equipment well after 5 months!  On WGT most certainly no chance LOL......................................I think the very best should be tier based at least though!!! 

     

    ALSO.............(copy pasted from another part of the thread).  This is what I have found so parts out of context but the rest valid here I think:

    I think we would all agree one incremental step up is not going to be night and day difference...........Your point though is interesting as to the difference you found!  For my part I begrudgingly (through impatience and an urge to spend credits) upgraded from the G20 to the R11.  My scores have gone the right way rapidly for whatever scientific or otherwise reason.............I know I most likely end up jumping at the R11 irons / R11s or whatever is then available to gain even more in all likely hood................whether the difference is as marked (for whatever the real reason) I won't know til then............ But the difference in my average score since i replaced the G20 with the R11 is very real.  Basically I was stuck at around 64.9 / 65.11 but in no time as it stands I am 64.59 is ............how much of that is mind v equipment don't really know but since the purchase 1 to 2 shots a round difference has made it well worth it.  IF the R11 irons / R11s make approaching that difference again that's massive in my book!    

     

    On the rest of it Andy you seem to go even farther than me in thinking WGT need to sort their act out..............I can't say I could strongly disagree with but a nudge in a better direction would be better than what we have!

  • WakeIsland
    213 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:46 PM

    golfer342:

    Trust me....A few extra yards with a new driver won't make a difference to a "top player" Not in score, not in won credits. There is so much more to to this game than the drive. 

     

    If you read theforum for people who are using the level 98+ R1 the stats are nothing like they are quoting.  They are saying it is 300 against the wind and averages 320yds tha is a huge difference.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:51 PM

    WakeIsland:

    golfer342:

    Trust me....A few extra yards with a new driver won't make a difference to a "top player" Not in score, not in won credits. There is so much more to to this game than the drive. 

     

     

    If you read theforum for people who are using the level 98+ R1 the stats are nothing like they are quoting.  They are saying it is 300 against the wind and averages 320yds tha is a huge difference.

    I agree.................Also maybe it should be T Legend thing only.  Thus rewarding the real cream.............................Any way it's a business but LOL. But they have the balance wrong! If I were as good as some else and playing match play I would feel better setting out with equipment as good...........

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:51 PM

    WakeIsland:

    golfer342:

    Trust me....A few extra yards with a new driver won't make a difference to a "top player" Not in score, not in won credits. There is so much more to to this game than the drive. 

     

     

    If you read theforum for people who are using the level 98+ R1 the stats are nothing like they are quoting.  They are saying it is 300 against the wind and averages 320yds tha is a huge difference.

     

    All clubs avg more than stated, that's down to particular balls people use. R11 averages at least 310 on St.Andrews (or any other course) with top level Nikes.

  • geraldlarousse
    1,986 Posts
    Thu, Mar 7 2013 7:53 PM

    Really?? Who cares that the driver is a level 98. I personally can't see buying it anyway. My hats off to all players that are at that level or higher. Right now i'm frustrated that i have 60 something more rounds to play before moving to tour legend. And when i get there my ranked rounds per day will drop way off, only reason i'm playing a lot of ranked rounds is to move up tier. So being that i'm level 95 now, it might take me 2 years to get to level 98.

    OO, one more thing, nobody here is going to beat me with his driver, that is certain. I think the r11s is all the driver one would need. Then again the regular r11 wasn't bad either. I say get a grip, that driver is NOT going to lower your scores.

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