borntobesting: The only time I use added backspin with these wedges is chips pitches and flops and I don't even use it all the time on those.
agree with this in most cases, however i do use added bs when i am inside about 35 yds, due to the fact that i am choking way down on the 64w club on a punch. Alot of people say they prefer the ATVs because they have a 50 yd full swing and 40 some odd yard punch versus a 60 yard full swing and 50 yard punch on the cleves.
I find i can use punch all the way down to 27 or 28 on the cleves if i add back spin and the ball doesn't pull back on those yardages just skips and stops. Anything less than 26 or 27 i can move to pitch or flop and get super close. just my experience.