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What is 5 dots precision and 5 dot forgiveness

• derekortt 669 Posts

  Sun, Jan 26 2014 8:34 AM

  I see one thing holding him back... the golf ball he plays

• dacrash 475 Posts

  Sun, Jan 26 2014 9:03 AM

  alexk345:

  I like 287 black driver i thought i get slow meter iron with 4 dot forgiveness. is it worth it ?

  Absolutely!  Much longer than the G20, but still goes where it is supposed to.  One of the few clubs I can ding and when I don't, generally not to far off (knock on wood).

   

• Soggyblogger 224 Posts

  Sun, Jan 26 2014 9:09 AM

  WGTicon:

  hi

  precision refers to how good it keeps the line. forgiveness refers to how much forgiveness you get on a missed ding,

  -wgticon

  Wow. Really? What if I want to miss the ding? Since shot shaping isn't possible any other way, isn't hitting early creating a hook, and hitting late creating a slice? In practice this works, and I use it on a lot of shots, but if what you have written is true, then the "forgiveness" factor is counteracting my intended hooks and slices.

  I know it seems ridiculous to argue with someone who (I hope) has access to the code, but from what I have gleamed from playing the game and observing different clubs, and shots, "forgiveness" refers to the distance from the ding line and the next vertical line left and right of the ding line.

  Notice how on high forgiveness clubs, that line is farther away from the ding line, and on lower forgiveness clubs those lines are closer to the ding line. If I have made my question clear, please let me know if I understand this correctly or not.

• drmoose 3,543 Posts

  Sun, Jan 26 2014 10:40 AM

  The real answer to the OP's question is that the 5 dots represent a theoretical value of precision and forgiveness assigned to a club, or set of clubs, meaning they will operate within that set of parameters when you rent or purchase them. However, after they're purchased, if you find they are dropping your scores rapidly, don't worry, an update will be along soon to fix that. Then, given a reasonable amount of time, another set will be offered with 5 dots. Again, don't be too concerned when it seems like you've finally got the equipment you need to hit your full potential, and you start burning up the courses, because..... wait for it.... wait.... it's time for another update !

  "The pattern juggler lifts his hand, the orchestra begin, as slowly turns the grinding wheel in the court of the Crimson King"

  Doc :)

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Sun, Jan 26 2014 5:52 PM

  Soggyblogger:

  WGTicon:

  hi

  precision refers to how good it keeps the line. forgiveness refers to how much forgiveness you get on a missed ding,

  -wgticon

   

  Wow. Really? What if I want to miss the ding? Since shot shaping isn't possible any other way, isn't hitting early creating a hook, and hitting late creating a slice? In practice this works, and I use it on a lot of shots, but if what you have written is true, then the "forgiveness" factor is counteracting my intended hooks and slices.

  I know it seems ridiculous to argue with someone who (I hope) has access to the code, but from what I have gleamed from playing the game and observing different clubs, and shots, "forgiveness" refers to the distance from the ding line and the next vertical line left and right of the ding line.

  Notice how on high forgiveness clubs, that line is farther away from the ding line, and on lower forgiveness clubs those lines are closer to the ding line. If I have made my question clear, please let me know if I understand this correctly or not.

  Icon is correct, the more forgiveness your club (including putters btw) has the more it will stick to the line you've aimed when miss dinged. What this means is that with clubs with high forgiveness, if you are intending to miss ding, then you will need to miss more when using clubs with high forgiveness to achieve the same result, although exactly how much more I've never worked out.

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, Jan 26 2014 10:09 PM

  drmoose:

  However, after they're purchased, if you find they are dropping your scores rapidly, don't worry, an update will be along soon to fix that.

  Do you really believe that? Seriously?

• drmoose 3,543 Posts

  Mon, Jan 27 2014 6:08 AM

  YankeeJim:

  drmoose:

  However, after they're purchased, if you find they are dropping your scores rapidly, don't worry, an update will be along soon to fix that.

  Do you really believe that? Seriously?

   

  YJ ,

   To put it quite simply, "YES". Now, as to how that is achieved, I don't know if it's done by reducing the effectiveness of the equipment, or simply increasing the difficulty of game play, but, the end result is the same. Feel free to tell me it's all in my head, but, I've been here long enough to know better. I'll even go you one further by saying WGT can't maintain plausible deniability in this area.

  Doc :)

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Jan 27 2014 7:24 AM

  drmoose:

  Feel free to tell me it's all in my head, but, I've been here long enough to know better.

  Heh-I'm not about to tell you it's in your head because that's your perception.I will say I've been here long enough to have seen every new club set introduced and have never noticed any change in any set I ever bought. I had the R11's from the day they came out and saw many updates during that period. Not once did I ever see a performance change in them.

  Perception is a valid consideration as it applies to one's game-it pretty much governs how you play. I have perceptions, too, and a lot of them come from reading about other's perceptions. The best example is the RGs. Gerald and Chris have me convinced they're rigged. LOL Whether or not they are, that's my perception and the biggest reason I don't play them. I consider myself ignorant for thinking this but it is what it is.

  While the player's stats are rather dubious as they are, there are a few that do make sense when you look at a player's average. The scrambling and sand save %s say a lot and I'll leave it at that.  ;-)

• renniw52 5,385 Posts

  Mon, Jan 27 2014 7:32 AM

  In my opinion each additional dot represents an increased price for said item. More dots are supposed to be easier to use, more distance, more spin, more whatever. How well these added dots improve your game and for how long is a closely guarded secret that only WGT has the answer to. When a relatively new player using average or below equipment cries wolf, I pay no attention. They really have not figured out the basics yet and are upset with their lack of improvement. When I see so many seasoned, long term players commenting about numerous issues, I pay a lot of attention. Most of their comments answer my WTF questions before I have to ask. The folks at WGT have done a great job to create an almost real golfing experience. Where they are really falling short is with game manipulation in so many ways. IRL, if you play day in and day out, play a course over and over and over again, you will get better at that course. You will adjust for different weather, were the greens just cut or not, you can feel the wind and make a decision what to do. Will it be right every time, hell no. With WGT you do not have this option. It says you are playing tournament greens, every green should play at the speed you have practiced for. Wind is 15 mph from 9-3. You adjust for that wind, ding your shot with all of your mega dot equipment, you should get a decent result. I play BPB a lot. I just like the course. Let's use nbr. 2 for an example. I have a 12 mph tail wind, slightly blowing right. I use full bs, ding the shot, drive is 298 perfectly placed in the fairway. I can play this hole again, new round, almost identical situation,aim same spot, same full bs, ding the shot and wham right into the tree on the left, drops in 70% rough. This should not happen. If I have taken the time to play this over and over, know the proper way to miss that tree, how in the hell does it just all of sudden change?

• PRIESTESS 10,721 Posts

  Mon, Jan 27 2014 7:49 AM

  5 Dots of precision and 5 dots of spin combined means only 10 yards of vem!! or WTF shots which sounds better.