Basically what I was saying Andy. It is programmed, you practice it, figure it out, why in the hell does it change? And how in the hell do some people know it has changed? Only explanation for some of the scores we see. I have hit enough balls now to know how to play the holes I play. When it changes from round to round, it is total nonsense. I never expect to be one of the Elite players on here, that is not my goal. I only expect a shot to react within reason, the same each time you play. If I hit my R1 with a 15 mph tail wind, ding the shot, I expect 300 plus, not 365 one time and 298 the next time. If i have a 3 foot putt with no elevation i hit it 4 plus feet, one time it goes in the next time it stops short. This is getting away from the reality the game is supposed to give us. I understand the differences in the fairways, you hit an uphill lie or downhill, I am saying with that wind my ball will usually never touch the ground less than 300 feet. Has nothing to do with the roll out. Again, I don't give a flying you know what, playing for fun only. Just asking questions and listening to the answers. The employees at WGT are just doing what they are told, doing their job. Sometimes I feel they are doing a job on us, the ones who gave them a job in the first place.