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What is 5 dots precision and 5 dot forgiveness

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Jan 27 2014 4:52 PM

  renniw52:

  No winning or losing on this thread.

  Isn't about that. Just the back and forth is enlightening.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 12:06 AM

  YankeeJim:

  drmoose:

  Feel free to tell me it's all in my head, but, I've been here long enough to know better.

  Heh-I'm not about to tell you it's in your head because that's your perception.I will say I've been here long enough to have seen every new club set introduced and have never noticed any change in any set I ever bought. I had the R11's from the day they came out and saw many updates during that period. Not once did I ever see a performance change in them.

  Perception is a valid consideration as it applies to one's game-it pretty much governs how you play. I have perceptions, too, and a lot of them come from reading about other's perceptions. The best example is the RGs. Gerald and Chris have me convinced they're rigged. LOL Whether or not they are, that's my perception and the biggest reason I don't play them. I consider myself ignorant for thinking this but it is what it is.

  While the player's stats are rather dubious as they are, there are a few that do make sense when you look at a player's average. The scrambling and sand save %s say a lot and I'll leave it at that.  ;-)

  +1 YJ    I will say the clubs have not changed at all. I'm still using the R11s i had forever, because i'm holding out on the Nikes yet..lol.

  I will also say that these R11s are still very deadly. I think the problem many are having is the game play has changed a bit here and there.

  The game now to me at least is harder to be consistent. Some games they are throwing a few curve balls..... and changing the green speed ever so slightly from hole to hole.

  Now in those games i'm not going to shoot all that low..... but not going to make any bogeys.... just a poor round of pars. Then you have the rounds that no curves are thrown and greens are true. Hard to explain really..... but is fact.

  For instance today i played in a threesome stroke play and shot 35,, which for me..... kinda pitiful. Nothing was going right distance and leaving putts just short of hole.

  Next game.... play back nine and shoot 27 easy. Think averaged like 5.3 feet to hole.

  Day or so ago i shot 34 on front nine at St. Ands....lol.... then post a 26 very next game in Merion back nine ready go.

  Game play of late is a lil weird at times,,, you can called it what you want too. With all these new clubs and balls..... we get new variables. Not to mention we could have had a screw up here or there in a downtime.......never know.

  As far as rigged goes......kinda.... touchy subject. Lets just say that it takes some skill to play this game well. After that...... sometimes left to the WGT gods.

  Come......on...........7.........lol

  Edit:  Quick jog around Congo front nine in a threesome..... solid 27...nope clubs still work.

   

• drmoose 3,543 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 3:28 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Isn't about that. Just the back and forth is enlightening.

   

  Indeed. Now if I abandon my premise that different results = equipment behaving differently and embrace a new theory, that different results = equipment behaving the same, at what point in the equation do I find the reason for different results?

  Doc :)

• togemag 991 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 5:03 AM

  geraldlarousse:

  As far as rigged goes......kinda.... touchy subject. Lets just say that it takes some skill to play this game well. After that...... sometimes left to the WGT gods.

   

  Ditto!

  Yes, you most understand this game. I’m trying my best, but when you miss putts and the ding just enough at very inopportune times, well? But alls good, sometimes it goes both ways.
  
  LOL 

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 5:04 AM

  drmoose:

  Now if I abandon my premise that different results = equipment behaving differently and embrace a new theory, that different results = equipment behaving the same, at what point in the equation do I find the reason for different results?

  When you accept responsibility for swinging the club.  :-)

• drmoose 3,543 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 5:19 AM

  YankeeJim:

  When you accept responsibility for swinging the club.  :-)

  Lol, too funny ! I do accept resposibility, now, if my logic is flawed, please point out where, that I may resume thinking correctly.

  Doc :)

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 7:50 AM

  drmoose:

  Indeed. Now if I abandon my premise that different results = equipment behaving differently and embrace a new theory, that different results = equipment behaving the same, at what point in the equation do I find the reason for different results?

  For starters, different results happening because of equipment attributes changing presumes the swing is a constant value. We both know this not to be the case. The real constant is the equipment and the variable is the swing and the mindset behind it. Therefore, the math becomes simple-different results with unchanged equipment yielding different results goes directly to the variable-you.  :-)

• drmoose 3,543 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 8:30 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Therefore, the math becomes simple-different results with unchanged equipment yielding different results goes directly to the variable-you.  :-)

  Or, another possible scenario is this...

  At the point in time that you purchase a club w/ X amount of precision and forgiveness, these values are assigned against a "set" number of possible outcomes.( If there were no "set" number, a random number generator would be used and we'd be playing "virtual slots" ). Only one of these possible outcomes is a "perfect" shot, the rest leave something more to be desired. The introduction of any more variables or increased degree of difficulty in game play increases the "set" number of possible outcomes.There is still only one "perfect" shot, but, now you have more less desirable outcomes. In other words, that club you purchased can now make shots that weren't possible before, because they weren't included in the original sampling. This is how I define "equipment operating differently. " Having established the criteria under which equipment is judged to operate differently, which of the following statements would you judge to be true ?

  Equipment operating differently = different results

  Equipment operating the same = different results

  Doc :)

• GlassMan27 573 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 8:49 AM

  I view it as two 20-sided dice with numbers from one to five, five being the most precise, most forgiving shot. The more dots of precision or forgiveness your clubs have, the more fours and fives there are on the dice. Every shot is a roll of the dice. Even with the best clubs, you still have a chance of rolling a one. Sometimes you'll roll multiple ones in succession, while the next round it's all fours and fives. Just my take.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 9:18 AM

  drmoose:

  Having established the  your criteria

  FTFY. That flaws the entire thought process unless you concede that criteria and I don't.  :-)